Which one is the most perferred and why?



From left to right; 450 Dakota, 450 Rigby, 460 Weatherby, 450 Ackley, 458 Lott.

Thanks!

[ 11-14-2002, 08:44: Message edited by: Mingo ]

Ming,

The .458 Lott appears to have the lead in the marketing wars.

There are now at least two commercial manufacturers loading for it. Second there are no end of .458 Win Mag rifles out there that can be quickly and easily rechambered to the Lott chamber the gunsmiths say.

jim dodd

Jim,

I know about the Lott becoming a factory chambering. I should have ommitted the Lott from this picture as I wanted to see which is the "best" of the 45 calibers. I have had all of them except for the 450 Dakota so I pretty much know what I like and don't like. Have fun.

Mingo: You know more about this then most people have forgotten.

Shouldn't you be lecturing on the subject?

Only help I can be is the guy that designed the 50 Capstick(Gene?) told me the Ackley was perfect.

Apparently, the little shoulder helps ballistics, and makes chambering easier, not to mention you can fire the 458 win mag. out of it with no problem.

He designed a 50 BMG based round, shorter, that much like the 30-06 to 308 comparisions, is more efficent then the 50 BMG for rifle length barrels.

Hope this helps...
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I like the 450 Rigby best, I would like to own one one day.

I see absolutely no need for any of them that isn't covered quite nicely by the 458 LOTT. For the same reasons stated by Hunter Jim, the 458 Lott is my pick, and even it needs slowing down some to about the balistics of the old 450NE 3.25" The extra velocity developed by the others is wasted, IMO!

also as stated, the problems in converting to the others, are far more work intensive than the 458 Lott, to make feed properly. The Lott is what the 458 Win Mag should have been in the first place!

Mingo,

My favorite is .450 Ackley. Very easy to form from a .375 H&H brass. No need to trimm the brass like for the Lott. Very easy to rechamber a rfile in .458 Win Mag to .450 Ackley.

I don't tell that others .45 are not good, not at all.

I think the 450 Dakota is the best design, but the Lott is most popular because it fits in an H&H sized action, shoots 458 win mag too, and does not require fireforming. But I think the Ackley is a better design than the lott.

A picture is worth a thousand words. Except for the belt the first three are identical. I like the 450 Ackley myself.

470 Mbogo

You left out my .45-70, I feel like the ignored little brother. Hey, listen to me. Hey, hey...

Those are some bruisers eh? I've only fired the Ackley and it was quite an experience for someone like me who doesn't get around big bore stopping rifles much. Guy

I like the shiney one standing next to the others most but, really, I like the Lott.

[ 11-15-2002, 23:14: Message edited by: Nickudu ]

Ditto Nickudu, HunterJim, and MacD37.

I am stuck on the Lott. Of course I really need a 460 WBY badly, just for kicks and easier brass availability. Vertical stack pushfeed Mark V or staggered box CRF on a CZ or BBK, either will serve my purposes.

I thought long and hard about the 450 Rigby and Dakota, but decided to one-up them with the 470 Mbogo, on the beltless Rigby case. Eventually I shall have one. It is still in the works.

The Ackley just doesn't interest me because I have a 450 Barnes Supreme, which is much the same, and probably came before all of the above, in the 1940's. Everyone else has been trying to one-up the Barnes Supreme line in many bore sizes,
but the BS came first.

The 458 Win Mag with Speer AGS handloads has no flies on it, but the Lott can do it with the longer monometals and lead and steel "solids" or softs of any kind.

Yep, 458 Lott is my favorite too, of all the 458's.

I believe the 450 Rigby is the best designed cartridge..It's a bit better than the Dakota because the shoulder is sharper and more pronounced but we are being picky here..The Dakota is just as well designed I suspect...

Frankly, I don't want any of them, been that route and found it unnecessary...

Ray,

I think that you read my mind. The 450 Rigby occupies a special place in me. I just love that mean looking 45 degree shoulder. I was suprised that not many people wanted it. Have fun.

[ 11-19-2002, 03:23: Message edited by: Mingo ]

Mingo,

My comments are based on the theory that a rifleman wanting the amount of power any of the 45 magnums pocess wants all the energy available. I believe the large 45 bore can efficiently utilize magnum powder capacity. Therefore, I think the .460 Weatherby Magnum gets the nod.

All right, all right. Since that Rigby is loaded in one of my old cases (I think!) I need to chime in my vote. I like it because: 1) "Rigby" 2) Performance (that is matched by all the others) 3) Frightens the guy at the next shooting bench! 4) Macho points when you not only touch it off and don't get knocked down but then you work the bolt and let loose another. By now the guy at the next bench has either gone home in a hurry or moved down a couple. None of this really means much, does it? Boddington's review nailed it home for me after I read the original reports out of Africa but personally I suspect that the Dakota might feed a little better. And just because you can load it hotter doesn't mean you should. 2300-2400 will bust anything on the planet. The case is huge to keep the pressures down and make the case last longer.

It is difficult to beat a 45 caliber "magnum". So which is the king of the hill? Let's vote guys! Thanks!

Mingo,

I'll stand pat. I vote .460 Weatherby Magnum King of the Hill.

Best regards.

You take great pictures. What kind of camera?

I vote the Lott.

Buliwyf,

Thanks for the vote. Did you have a 460 Weatherby? I have had two 460 Weatherby rifles and had one heck of a good time with them. Never hunted anything big but mainly used for shoulder buster at the range. You must take the muzzle brake off to get the full effect. Also, make sure you shoot it off the bench.

I have a friend that also got a 460 Weatherby after I sold my rifles. He thought that he was the man as he could shoot the 460 WB repeately without any side effect. The problem though that his rifle has a big ass muzzle brake and a very thick recoil pad, and a very big optics. The rifle must be at least in the 12.5 lb range. One day at the range, I had my 45-70 1886 lever action with me so I asked to him to try it out. I chambered four rounds in the tube and let him shoot it. On the third shot, he quietly hands me back the rifle and tells me that the recoil is hurting him. The 45-70 load that we were shooting that day was with a 405-grain at around 2000 fps. On paper this load is a pussycat compared to the 460 Weatherby factory load. Anyhow, I always think about this story every time I think about the 460 Weatherby. The 460 is used to be my favorite by something else is taking its place lately. Have fun!

Gator1,

I have been using a cheap Kodak DX3215 digital camera. It took me a while to learn some of the tricks for taking a better picture. Enjoy!

Hi Mingo,
Where's the Mbogo along with those big boys?
Take care and it sounds like your having fun,
470 Mbogo

Hi Ming,

No, I have never owned a .460 WBY. I have fired exactly two rounds from a factory Mark V at the shooting range. The only reason I fired the second shot was because I couldn't believe how bad the rifle recoiled on the first shot. I thought I was holding the rifle wrong. Till this day, I still think maybe I was holding the rifle wrong, but I declined the offer to fire a third shot to explore any further.

I voted .460 WBY "King of the Hill" because of the worst case scenario when you would want all the power possible out of a 45 Magnum. I don't think you notice recoil as a general rule when firing at game.

Regards

On the practicle side, the 458 lott is king. It may not be perfect, and may not have all the desireable attributes, but it's good points outweigh the bad, and I can't wait to get my replacement lott.

If I don't have to be practicle, then the 450 Rigby gets the nod, it looks good, has a big case and a nice name. But the "factory" guns are pricey, and if I'm using a Rigby sized action to build a custom big bore, then the hole in the barrel will be larger then 45 caliber.

In shear preformance the 460WM would have to be KOTH. But, you may make mine a Rigby. As far as practicality, 308WIN is practical, but who cares?

Kristofer

[ 11-20-2002, 05:17: Message edited by: KBGuns ]

Oldsarge,

Thanks for the brass. I got my own 450 Rigby now but have not been able to do any serious load work yet. Hopefully I will have a break in X-mas so I can get out and do some more shooting with this awesome cartridge. I am already planning on getting a second rifle for this chambering. Take care my friend.

470 Mbogo,

The 470 of yours is not in the same class as these 45 calibers. We will have to creat another class just for the 475 calibers. Later buddy!