Continuing to answer either AXEL or TODD E' posts simply gives these poor pathetic individuals more of the attention that they are trying so pathetically to obtain. For new members of this site, Todd E and Mondele are well known Trolls! Axel appeared recently, but appears to be another of Todd's alternative internet personalities (which he so kndly alerted us to). These people try to masqarade as being highly knowledgeable when in reality they are at best poorly educated. They like to latch on to issues which generate seemingly intense debate and flame the fires of everyone involved with insulting behaviour. I'd like to suggest that all of us refrain from answering their posts from now on, no matter how inflamatory they are. We are not interested in their rantings anyway! they are fixiated on only calling attention to themselves at all costs.
Venting anger on them is just as useless as arguing with them it's just a form of attention. They will go away when they are ignored. The more angry we get at them the more they enjoy it. Their enjoyment only increases, the more hatred and obscenities are heaped on them. This I'm told by reputable psychologists is also a reflection of their real life social encounters. THESE ARE PATHETICALLY SICK PEOPLE( but they are on a mission) AND THE BEST THING WE CAN DO IS IGNORE THEM. UNFORTUNATELY, they will re-invent themselves and come back again and again. The best defense against these Troll's is to deny them their bridge!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMEN <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

I am a long time lurker on this board, and have hesitated in posting since women are a rare commoditity here. I couldn't resist, however, the Troll Story regarding a poster named ToddE. (I don't know who Axel is so I can't comment there)
How the hell do you "pretend" to have the intelligence that this poster obviously has? Do you think he is so stupid that he has some how rebounded into intelligence??? I have read some of his posts, and while he may be getting a kick out of some of ya'll, "uneducated"...I don't think so. Just my 2-cents. Now, I think I will look up this Axel person and check it out. Anyone want to tell me why people on message boards are so concerned with "trolls" anywho?

Trolls can be a lot of fun. The best one around was Codty/Latigo/etc. Last I saw him here he was Jazz/E or something.

The problem with Todd E/Axel is that it posts like it has much knowledge and so those without much knowledge will believe it. That would all be OK if it did not get into safety issues.

The Todd E/Axel postings on annealing case heads and then being able to fire maximum loads is rifle blow up material.

Mike

NRAChick - I notice you are also a big time liar and fraud....sort of like our friend Todd E. Or are you Todd E. I suspect so.

How can you be a "long time lurker" when you just joined the membership yesterday? Duh?

How can Todd E et al hang semi intelligent sounding posts? Easy. He knows just enough to be dangerous and he has a big stack of gun magazines. But he always manages to put his foot in his mouth up to his knee cap almost every post....kinda like you did with your lie.

Now go try it again, Todd. You'll get it right someday.

Pecos,

Have you ever noticed when "troll attack" occurs then nearly everytime a new member appears in support of the troll and with no email listed

Pesonally, since Cody/Latigo seems to have gone, the quality of troll has fallen right away. I suspect that they are only children.

Mike

Pecos,
Gee, thanks, I spit my pepsi all over my paperwork here.

You don't have to be a member to stop in and read the posts. Mystery solved?

No wonder there aren't many women posting here.

Ta~ta.

Gawd, what is wrong with all of ya'll??? No, I didn't want a bunch of yodelers on a public board to have my email addy! Damn, folks, lighten up. Send a private message if you have to.

[ 09-28-2002, 06:00: Message edited by: NRAChick ]

Funny how you know about the Todd E handle but not the Axel handle.

Mike

Funny how you know about the Todd E handle but not the Axel handle.
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Funny how, Mike? How long has there been an "Axel handle"? I am not here everyday, dude. I work, a lot.

I am a long time lurker on this board

When did you last "lurk"

Mike

Ah, the game is afoot!

NRAChick,
You are not perceptive enough to understand that the trolls have been liars and game players not worth the time wasted in reading their posts. You must not have been lurking very long, and hence don't have the understanding to offer your "insights" on this subject.

Sign me: NRA Life Member.

This is exactly why I haven't posted here sooner. What a bunch of juvenile jerks. I will stick to reading the posters I believe to be credible, as I have much I would like to learn before my next hunt. Saaed offers a lot to ponder in the political arena as well. Carry on with your Troll hunting boys, I suspect it's all you really hunt for, n'est pas?

OK, "Dude". Happy surgeoning!

(Methinks we just bagged a troll!)

Methinks we just bagged a troll!)
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Oh, Gawd, you mean you just commited suicide??? Blast, and I am just a general surgeon! Sorry, dude.

Hey guys be careful or you're going to get 15 yards for piling on.

I really enjoy posts but alot of people just read and don't ever comment. I read this forum for 3-4 months before registering. LIghten up.

"When swords are outlawed only pirates will have swords."

lol Mickey

I'm going to second and third the concern about safety issues. Frankly, when I first came to this site, I found Todd E/Axel interesting( Pathetic but interesting). He isn't a fool, but he is wacked and on a mission of some sort. Unfortunately, that misssion is dis-information and the spreading of potentially dangerous information at that. There are people who read his posts and will believe him because they don't know better and he spits out just enough truth and facts to be dangerous. The examples of the case head annealing process, Double rifle action strength and Axel's diatribe on the M700 to 460 WBY conversion are good examples of advice that could really get someone badly hurt.
I'm not a mechanical engineer, but I have an electrical engineering background and in fact can do and have done all the math required to evaluate the strength of various actions and Todd E's assertions are and always will be full of shit! These calculations are not difficult and are readily available. I believe these Trolls are here for a purpose and that purpose is to do as much harm as possible. You notice that these guys never actually try and help anyone else on this board!
My concern is that some poor guy here will deceide to find some gunsmith to rework his M700 ( for one example and it's just one example) into a basically useless, Single shot- 460 wby or worse, overload the stupid thing and get himself killed or injured. This is not exactly the publicity we as shooters need at this time.
I also have long wondered if these Trolls are not in reality Anti- Gun people using this site to stir up trouble with the mistaken idea that they will drive us away by their insulting behaviour.
If I were an anti-gun plant, that's just what I'd do! This is a popular forum that really must piss off the anti's big time. That's partially why I'm here!
Once unmasked, these Trolls re-invent themselves and come back after a month or so ( so we forget), however, their writing style stays the same for the most part and they continue to pick the same battle grounds.
We just need to pay attention and keep on denying them an audience.-Rob

Rob, I CAUTION YOU NOT TO OVER SIMPLIFY ACTION STRENGTH CALCULATIONS! THESE CALCULATIONS ARE BY NO MEANS SIMPLE. YOU CAN GET SIMPLIFIED EQUATIONS FROM "QUICK REFERENCE" "ENGINEERING" HAND BOOKS, BUT THESE EQUATIONS PROVIDE, AT BEST, A GROSS APPROXIMATION OF THE AVERAGE STRESSES ON THE ACTION. There is a very legitimate reason that an BSME degree takes 5 YEARS to acquire! It then takes several years to train the engineer to the point that they understand how to use their basic educational foundation! In other words, what is taught in the university is a foundation. The foundation is used to build a productive engineer. Engineers, like doctors, are very often specialized! These specializations occur within engineering disciplines.

SXS double rifle actions are very complex calculations. There are very few electrical engineering calculations as intense as the stress and deflection calculations for a SXS double action. I would very much recommend FE analysis tools for these actions as hand calculations get very loooong! Of course if you use some simple stress = force / area approach the stress calculations aren't too bad. The problem is that the stresses are not constant anywhere on the action.

If you have actually performed these calcs why not share them with us. You can even send them to me as a private message and I will provide you with my professional feed back. If you want to be friends I have no problem with that. In all honesty, the depth of discussion required to cover action strengths is far beyond the scope of an internet chat room. I think you are an intelligent individual and if you open your mind you could learn a great deal. I am concerned only that you are oversimplifying a very complex set of equations and not properly comprehending the interactions of everything impacting an action. Since you have not been educated in the field of Mechanical Engineering I do not understand how you feel qualified to speak out on topics, which are controlled by this engineering discipline. I do not speak out of topics of genetics or pharmaceuticals. I have some knowledge of them, however, I do not use this knowledge to proclaim myself knowledgeable enough to argue with a Geneticist! I am sincere however, I will educate you on the required points of consideration on the actions' strengths if you like. I would recommend that this occur outside the public forum, however.

I will no longer post as Todd E. I will no longer post abusive posts. If no one here wishes to have me around, that is fine I will leave. Since Todd E's password is no longer 455buick I definitely cannot use that login name.

SRS

Axel/Todd E NRA sickchick/SRS etc. Well I might not be a mechanical engineer, but I'm more than smart enough to EXPOSE YOU, in your many guises, aren't I. You have an MO that no matter how you try and hide shows you up every time. Frankly, I'd LOVE to have a real technical discussion of action strength with someone whose credentials I respect and who isn't a simple liar and BS artist. I Don't respect you enough to want to have any contact with you outside of a public forum ( that's for damm sure). You have only my contempt! Oh I know you'll be back, but we will always be ready for you. You see some of us are really not that stupid after all. -Rob

Seriously, if you want these types of posts to stop, ingore them. Ignoring doesnt just mean not replying. It means looking who started a thread and not going into it at all. It means looking who made a reply before readin the reply. If you mentally edit out a person, they dont exist. You dont need to reply to anything any one says on the net. By most of your continued arguments with persons who you claim to consider idiots and liers, one can only assume you will to be responded to by such liers.

Who cares if one of these jag offs posts dangerous things? most people will know dangerous things when they read it and justly ignore it. You arguing with them gives them credit, and reduces every thing to just a difference of opinion, facts being irelivant at that point.

I personally enjoy the trouble makers, they keep things intrersting.

[ 09-30-2002, 03:59: Message edited by: KBGuns ]

Rob,
I figured that would be your response. Irregardless, do take heed of my warning. YOU ARE NOT A MECHANICAL ENGINEER AND YOU MAY WELL NOT UNDERSTAND THAT WHICH YOU ARE CALCULATING. It is just like Clint Eastwood said: "A mans got to know his limitations". YOU need to know yours.

A learned man would have known when I lied and when I didn't. You seldom knew. That is why I am concerned for you. Please back up your statements about your intelligence by heeding my advice.

Jeffe, you are a paranoid freak, you know that. I suspect you are the asshole running around as Todd E. Big Man!

SRS

Will somebody please pinch me and tell me I didn't just see Todd E, alias SRS, alias Axel, etc just post another bunch of bullshit techno-babble about guns AND THEN PROMISE TO LEAVE AND NOT POST ANYMORE!?!?

I think I must have logged in to www.twilightzone.com

Todd E/SRS - What is this bullshit you are always yapping about?

How many times...how many ways do people have to tell you to piss off that they do NOT want you around. They do NOT respect you or your little idiot opinions. And never will.

You've told more lies on this website than my dog has fleas...and then you are stupid enough to come back and try to tell people who have been designing, building, hunting and doing what you only fantasize about how wrong and stupid they are and how they need to listen to YOU.

You're out of your league here, pal. Go pretend to be an authority on some website for knitting or pottery making....something where your bullshit might have a chance of fooling someone.

SRS et al - You're a loser, dude. Face it and move on somewhere else. Go see if Saddam needs a "weapons expert." Maybe he needs you. We sure don't.