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01 September 2002, 03:44
NBHunter
For 416 shooters
You can neck down .458WM or as I do neck up .338WM. I liked the idea of the taylor because there isn't a lot of difference in velocity of the Rigby, but brass is a heck of a lot cheaper. Also as you can see, I didn't have to get picky about what action I could fit it into, although I wanted a Savage action anyway. Dare to be different.
01 September 2002, 06:34
Mike375
So far....

8 416 Taylors

11 416 Remingtons (I know Don Gs is a Rem)

19 416 Rigbys (identified an unamed 416)

3 416 Wbys

1 416 Dakota

1 416/404

1 416 Barnes Supreme
01 September 2002, 08:52
greg p
PC,
Correct you are! The Taylor is indeed the 458 necked down. As Ross S. mentioned, the Taylor is a good use of 458 brass! [Big Grin]
I totally expect to get flamed for this; however, let it be known that I also own a very nice 458... so it's ok for me to say! [Big Grin]
01 September 2002, 09:50
TGetzen
Interesting that there are so many Taylors -- not bad for a wildcat. Someone should have made it a factory round (A-Square doesn't count IMO!).

I think this caliber is the upper limit of practicality in the short belted case.
01 September 2002, 10:33
JKS
.416 Rigby CZ w/Leupold 1.5-5.
01 September 2002, 13:21
PC
Greg,

On this forum since I have been on it I do not really here anything good about the old .458 Win Mag, it gets bagged quite a bit. Brass is probably only good for the .416 taylor.
01 September 2002, 16:04
Newguy
I have a 416 Howell. 404 Jeff brass cut down. to fit a standard action. Leupold 1.4X5, talley rins and mounts NECG front sight McMillian Stock.
01 September 2002, 16:14
<David>
Win M70 Classic Safari Express, 416 Rem Mag. Pillar and glass bedded with Leupold Vari-X III 1.75-6.
02 September 2002, 01:25
<TWCracker>
Ruger #1-H 416 Rigby, 1.5X5 Leupold,Canjar Set Trigger On Order (2) One for my Custom #1 in 338 Lapua. Will hunt Elk this year with 416 300gr Barnes X over 114 gr, RL-25 @ 2780 fps.

It is not too much gun if there is meat left!
02 September 2002, 01:44
Longbob
Mike,

I have 317 cases of 416 Rigby, RCBS Dies, & Lee Factory Crimping die.

I also have 1,000 of the 400 gr. Midsouth's blems, 200 Hornady 400 gr. softs, & 50 400 gr. GS FN solids.

And finally, I have no gun. So what does that make me other than optimistic. [Smile]

[ 09-01-2002, 16:46: Message edited by: Longbob ]
02 September 2002, 02:49
BwanaBob
I did have a Ruger Express in .416 Rigby until a friend talked me out of it. Now I have a Belgium commercial Mauser 98 in .416 Rigby - yes, it is a standard length action!
02 September 2002, 20:12
Under33IsForVarmintsOnly
Winchester 70 Super Express .416 Remington, older model with the Monte Carlo stock, unaltered except for the Old English-style Decelerator, with
a Nikon 1-4 in Leupold QR mounts.
02 September 2002, 20:18
Mike375
Longbob

Other people have bought the bible but not yet gone to church [Big Grin]

Mike
02 September 2002, 20:20
Mike375
BwanaBob

I think the person that helped make the 416 Rigby name had his 416 rigby on the standard M98 action.

Mike
03 September 2002, 02:56
RIP
Harry Selby and others? Just don't load it to 416 Weatherby ballistics. This is another reason why the 416 Rigby beats the 404 Jeffery hands down. If you want a trim M98 instead of the BIGMagnum action, it can be done.
03 September 2002, 03:01
<Rem8mag>
Ruger #1H 416 Rigby with a Moyer trigger and a 4x12 Leupold in Ruger rings.
03 September 2002, 03:10
Mike375
RAB,

Myself and a couple of mates are now moving to big cases loaded back.

One mate has ordered a 25 Ultra reamer from Dave Manson with removable pilot to do a 6.5 Ultra, which will be to replace his 264s. Loaded to max 264 ballistics, the 6.5 Ultra will have very wide loading parameters, almost from black powder up.

Since I wont get my 416 bullet making gear until December, I have made up a little jig to file down some 350 grain Speers to about 300 grains. Within the next couple of weeks I will have those at about 2500 or 2600 with 85 grains of 2206 (3031 burn rate) in 416 Wby. In short, 375 power while in idle mode.

Mike
03 September 2002, 04:13
Zedman
Currently a Ruger in 416 Rigby, I just put a deposit on a Dakota African in 416 Rigby.

Good Hunting, "Z" [Big Grin]
03 September 2002, 04:29
RIP
Mike,
That ought to be a spectacular varmint rifle. The 416 is versatile, eh? When are you going to go shoot some scrub bulls and water buffalo with that 416 Weatherby and heavier bullets?
03 September 2002, 04:30
Mike375
So far....

8 416 Taylors

13 416 Remingtons (I know Don Gs is a Rem)

25 416 Rigbys (included Longbob's fantasy [Smile] )

3 416 Wbys

1 416 Dakota

1 416/404

1 416 Barnes Supreme

1 416 Howell
03 September 2002, 04:42
Mike375
RAB,

It will be my varmint made bullets (.018" jackets) at full power compared to premium bullets, 350 grain Barnes X and 340 grain Woodleigh, at full power on camels next year.

Mike
03 September 2002, 05:19
<Per577>
Yo...!
I have a .416 Wby Magnum, and the rifle is a laminated stock built around the ususal Mark V action,with open sights and Douglas barrel,,26".
This "rifle rocks"!
03 September 2002, 05:35
Martin@Hin
Mike:416Rigby on a 602 BRNO, the gun is in org. state (stock and barrel) the barrel ,375H@H was bored out to 416.

Of topic the second recoil lug on the 500AS works perfect,in the process of fireforming now a more detailed rep. later.

Regards Martin
03 September 2002, 15:09
rcasto
Kimber 89 416 Rigby. Currently at the smith getting a Krieger barrel.

Ruger M77 416 Rigby.
03 September 2002, 15:52
Brian M
Well,I don't have a 416,but I really want a 416 Weatherby.

Does that count? [Big Grin] [Big Grin]
03 September 2002, 16:06
Mike375
Brian,

I counted Longbob for 416 Rigby because he had cases, bullets and dies etc.

Can't count you [Razz] so unfortunately the 416 Wby is still limited to 4 of us. Interesting that only one American owned 416 Wby, although I know Mitch has a 416 Wby.

Mike

[ 09-03-2002, 07:31: Message edited by: Mike375 ]
03 September 2002, 16:37
Mike375
So far....Interesting that there are only 13 416 Rems but 12 wildcat 416s. Of 57 guns 28 of them are the 416 Rigby. The 416 must be the only bore size where the real standard version, in this case the 416 Rem is so outnumbered.

8 416 Taylors

13 416 Remingtons (I know Don Gs is a Rem)

28 416 Rigbys (included Longbob's fantasy )

4 416 Wbys

1 416 Dakota

1 416/404

1 416 Barnes Supreme

1 416 Howell
03 September 2002, 16:54
PC
Mike would that make the .416 Rigby the stadard .416 ??

Or are the people on this forum not representitive of the "general .416 Community".
03 September 2002, 17:11
Mike375
PC,

I was thinking of the 416 Rem as being the standard as it is in both Rem 700 and M70 rifles.

I reckon in Australia the breakup would look similar except 416 Rem would be further down and the 416 Taylor would be further up.

My guess is the 416 Rem is down for a couple of reasons.

Firstly, like the 375 H&H it has the disadvantage of needing the longer action (so conversion of M70 338s etc is more difficult) but unlike the 375 H&H it lacks appeal, so many people are happy to go the easy way with the 416 Taylor. But 375 Taylors would be real thin on the ground as a percenatge of 375 bore size rifles.

Secondly, its "home chambering", that is the Rem 700 does not go with the caliber. Interesting of 13 416 Rems on this thread only one is a Rem 700 and that is a rebarreled Sendero.

416 Wbys are also way down in Australia and that is indoubtedly a combination of two things. One being that people would either choose the 378 as being the biggest of the high velocity calibers or choose the 460 as just being the biggest. The other problem of course is the lack of Hornady type bullets in 416.

Mike
03 September 2002, 18:54
JohnTheGreek
I have a Model 70 Safari Express in .416 Remington topped off with a 2.5x Leupold,

JohnTheGreek
04 September 2002, 00:55
PC
Mike,

I think now with the cz 550 .416 Rigby the .416 bore will become much more popular in Australia. And will become the standard along with the .375 H&H for the bloke who wants a "big bore rifle" to show there mates.

I do not include the .458 win mag in the above as I do not see it a big bore until it's transferred to the lott or ackely. I see the .458 win mag as a 45/70 on steroids.
04 September 2002, 02:34
BwanaBob
quote:
Originally posted by Mike375:
RAB,

Myself and a couple of mates are now moving to big cases loaded back.

Mike

I have long held the belief that this is the way to go. Big cases, such as the .416 Rigby, allow you to attain all the performance that you really need but at low pressures. This means that you have a bigger safety margin, your cases last longer and your firearm lasts longer - it just makes a lot of sense.

The continuing search for higher and higher velocities, with the accompanying high pressures, is, in my opinion, unnecessary and misguided.

Call me old fashion, but I think that most of the best cartridges were designed at the start of the last century and the best hunting rifle was born at the end of the previous century (the great Mauser 98, of course!). As far as hunting rifles are concerned, I believe that the only areas where we really have made progress, in the past hundred years, is in metallurgy, propellants and projectiles.

[ 09-03-2002, 17:54: Message edited by: BwanaBob ]
04 September 2002, 18:57
AnneK
I have a .416-.300, a LH Sako action with a synthetic stock and muzzle-brake that hubby had made up for me. We use the 350 gr Barnes X bullets in it, going just over 2600 fps, also did some 400 gr Hornady's, but I think hubby's got some other bullets he wants me to try in it now. It's not a Rigby, but the numbers are still pretty impressive.
After seeing the pic of Don G with that Impala,I don't feel quite so bad about womping a little blacktail deer with this thing!!

[ 09-04-2002, 10:03: Message edited by: AnneK ]
04 September 2002, 20:06
460wby
I just have to join in too.
I own a .416 Taylor. Buildt on a Mauser M98 action.
It has a short Adams & Bennet barrel that's been heavily fluted. It has a synt. stock, and are scoped with a Leup.XIII, 1,5-5x (german no.4).
I love this rifle!!
Perfect for norwegian moose! [Wink]
04 September 2002, 20:57
Brian M
quote:
Originally posted by Mike375:
Brian,

I counted Longbob for 416 Rigby because he had cases, bullets and dies etc.

Can't count you [Razz] so unfortunately the 416 Wby is still limited to 4 of us. Interesting that only one American owned 416 Wby, although I know Mitch has a 416 Wby.

Mike

Sniffle.That hurts man,that really hurts. [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

Well,I've got a 378.Maybe we should start a "For Weatherby shooters" thread?You can be the pimp and I'll be the Texas oil millionaire. [Big Grin] [Wink] [Razz] [Big Grin]
05 September 2002, 02:10
<Mauser416>
.416 Taylor - Colombian Mauser 98 action, Mark X Whitworth Express: stock , express sights and floorplate. 24" Montana Rifleman barrel.

PC, the .416 Taylor is the .458 Win Mag necked down. I believe the body taper is slightly reduced as well.

Eric
05 September 2002, 12:48
Russell E. Taylor
A .416 Remington Magnum built on a P-14 Enfield action, with a Douglas heavy barrel, a laminated-wood thumbhole stock, with a 4-12x40mm Elite 3000 for fire control. My first custom-built rifle.
05 September 2002, 13:33
Bob G
416 Rigby on a Ruger 1H Tropical with a Pachmayr Decellerator pad.

416 Weatherby on a Weatherby MK5 Deluxe with 2-7X Leupold
05 September 2002, 19:20
Mike375
10 416 Taylors

15 416 Remingtons

29 416 Rigbys

5 416 Wbys

1 416 Dakota

1 416/404

1 416 Barnes Supreme

1 416 Howell

1 416/300 Win

[ 09-05-2002, 10:20: Message edited by: Mike375 ]
06 September 2002, 04:48
PAHunter
Hi Mike375....

Mine is a 416 Rem Mag, custom built by Less Knipe from The Varmint Shop.