.500 Jeffrey

16 May 2002, 02:11

BwanaBob

.500 Jeffrey

I noticed the ongoing discussion about M98s and the largest cartridges you can put in them. I have seen quite a few .500 Jeffreys and .585 Nyatis on M98s and they all seemed to work fine. I am so impressed that I currently have both a .500 and .585 on M98s underconstruction. However, what I really wanted to mention is that I have a .416 Rigby on a STANDARD length M98! This is not a custom rifle but it came out of a Belgian factory and, I am lead to believe, that they made a number of them (even Harry Selby the East African PH had one!). The point, though, is that provided you stick to mild pressures with loads (and that is the forte of the .416 Rigby - great performance at very mild pressure), then there should never be a problem with an opened up M98. Where people come unstuck is when they start chasing hyper velocities with cartridges, and rifles, that weren't designed for that purpose. And besides, who really needs more power than the original loads? There are lots of dead critters out there to the credit of big bullets at moderate velocities....that is one thing that the British had right!

16 May 2002, 05:24

Paul H

quote:
Originally posted by ready_on_the_right:
Thanks for the update Paul!
Has John finished one yet, or is yours number one?
Mike

I believe mine is #1.

I did get my rechamber job back last weekend, VZ-24 350 Rigby. The work looks very good. I'm anxiously awaiting my first shooting session, and plan on hitting the range at lunch today.

16 May 2002, 05:35

sjmci

Look at the following link..

http://www.hallowellco.com/lars_nelson_custom.htm

quote:
Originally posted by ready_on_the_right:
Please relate all experiences with this round...
Is this the largest round a Mauser 98 will take?
Mike

16 May 2002, 14:44

ready_on_the_right

Thanks for the link,,,nice rifle indeed.

mike

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18 May 2002, 15:48

Mike375

Ready-on-the-right requested I post this from the Cost Effective 505 Gibbs thread:

300H&H,
To add to Pauls post, if you could send the CZ action to Australia, I would guess opening the bolt face and fitting a chambered barrel would cost around $300US.

However, that would not be a match grade barrel as I know out 2 match grade barrel makers do not do .505 caliber. It would be a cut rifle barrel that is OK. In other words the barrel is one that I would be happy to use with a 458 and up but I would not choose one for super accurate benchrest 270.

Custom gun work from the very basic through to a H&H look alike is about the only area of guns where we are better off than Americans.

Also, you could have the gunsmith buy you a CZ in Australia and then send you back the completed product. I think he would need to send it to one of your gun dealers.

Another significant cost factor with the 505 will be dies and cases.

But however you go about it, it would seem that given your desire for a bolt action 505, that getting a CZ will be the starting point, irrespective of what follows.

If the stock is not big enough fora 505 barrel, I don't think it would cost all that much out here to cut the forend off and fit a wider one and I also think the job would look OK. At least good enough to get you to go bang.

To go to making it a repeater I don't think that would cost all that much. Perhaps $100US to $150 US tops.

The other one you might want to consider is the 500 Jeffey on Mauser 98. You could do that very cheaply from Australia with the vertical stack magazine.

I would guess you get a barreled action that would go bang and repeat very reliably for perhaps $600US.

If you wanted a cleaned up M98 and rib sights etc a barreled action in 500 Jeffrey would be about $900 US.

Mike

18 May 2002, 15:50

ready_on_the_right

Hey Mike How about the details on the single stack mags? I was particularly interested in who does that and how ...uhh..gump...reasonable they are

Mike

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18 May 2002, 16:41

Mike375

Mike,

There is a lot of this stuff done in Australia.

Think of this this way, this is where Woodleigh bullets are made. Most of the gunsmiths that do the work are in the same state as Woodleigh and Bertram.

If you want to press on further I will get you the email address and number for a bloke called Andrew Hepner who is the president of The Australian Big game Club. They have a shoot each year and the H&H people come out for it. The club is full of this stuff. In fact if you own a Wby or Browning A Bolt you would be expelled without warning

The vertical stack feeds far smoother than staggered feed but of course when all else is equal capacity is less. Vertical stack is also less dollars.

Mike

18 May 2002, 16:44

ready_on_the_right

I really appreciate it! I want to compile the info for the time when the money allows the project. I have been leaning to a Sabi Rifle, but want to keep all options open.

Thanks again,

Mike

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18 May 2002, 16:55

Mike375

Mike,

The custom rifles from America I have seen are pictures.

But I do think the deal is much better out here, especially if the project is Mauser based and one of those English calibers.

What kills us out here is if you want to use those actions like Dakota or Granite amrs etc, as the price with the exchane rate and import duty is totally ridiculous. Also, because there are no agents for them you start out with a very high price.

Stock work and blanks (Australian grown English Walnut) is much cheaper here for similar quality.

A top knock your eyes out blank would be $1000US and labour to do the stock would rarely exceed $1200US and that is for a stock that looks as good on the inside as the outside and the checkering will pass the magifying glass look.

The deal from Sth Africa may be similar.

I am trying to add to Australia's export earnings

Mike

19 May 2002, 04:19

ready_on_the_right

Thanks Mike!

M

22 May 2002, 08:08

DaveC

Just testing to see if the treads can be resurrected.

22 May 2002, 10:28

ready_on_the_right

TTT

23 May 2002, 17:47

Atkinson

Mike,
Actually, and regardless of what you read on these forums, you can get a knocked out piece of Turkish for under a $1000 and a stock made for $1200 to $1600 in the USA and it will be first class...What you have to be able to do is know what your buying and know what is good and what is not....

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23 May 2002, 22:18

TGetzen

Back to that single stack magazine for 500J on a Mauser 98...

How much and where (whom) from? Any ideas?

Thanks,
Todd

23 May 2002, 22:30

Mike375

Ray,

I think in some ways we are fortunate with a much smaller market and in addition we are all crammed into a few cities. Also the $1200US for stock making is tops out here as opposed to a good deal from an unknown.

The difficulty for an American getting something done out here is bringing it back to America and of course the difficulties that would arise if you have problems.

Mike

25 May 2002, 08:01

ready_on_the_right

Anybody using cast bullets in one of these behemoth's??

Mike

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25 May 2002, 11:15

Paul H

I have a 470 gr LFN mold that I'll be using for most of my practice bullets. I've debated getting a 550-600 gr mold, but the short neck on the Jeffrey really prevents the use of cast bullets that heavy. I also figure a 470 gr 50 cal cast bullet at 1800 fps will take care of most game I'd ever hunt with it.

26 May 2002, 11:29

Mike375

Mike,

One of the reasons I am going with 375/416 and 450 Rigby is due to the long necks for cast bullets and also paper patch.

Ideally you want to be able to contain the gas check and greese grooves within the case neck.

Mike

26 May 2002, 16:03

ready_on_the_right

Thanks Paul and Mike.

I was thinking it would make an awesome cast bullet shooter, then be able to handle ANYTHING walking God's green earth.

Mike