Hi all, I think I've found a better web server that won't get overloaded when two people view a page.
I have pics up of Calibros' Howda built on a Saur 12ga, that he intends to take to Africa in June.

http://members.fortunecity.com/howda/calibros.html

That is one nasty "goose egg"! When both barrels went at the same time, how close together were the two bullets?

So that's what those things are called!
Saw one when I was young, as part of Winston Churchill's uniform, paired with a Mauser broomhandle, and been wondering what they were since!

Hope your acquaintance here doesn't get a visit from the police. I can't imagine any way in which that gun can be legal....

Blokes a nutter !! Boy what a toy ! Must have cost a small fortune but you,ve got to take your hat off to the guy he knows what he likes...........

Bet its an experience to fire that baby

Englander

Lar45,
Look at this. It is a pinfire shotgun with a kit to shoot centerfire rounds. Mabey an idea for you for your pinfire Howda.

http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=8398224

OUCH! That smarts!

JohnTheGreek

Amazing-where do I get one? not legal in the states I think.

I guess you could build one in the US as long as you started with an action that hadn't already been built as a long gun. That's how Ithaca built those 10" bbl pump shotguns years ago.

Or buy a Magnum Research BFR in .45-70 and have a five shot revolving Howdah pistol.

Rick

He says it's registered and legal. I didn't ask the details of it.

The centerfire conversion looks interesting. The pictures were just fuzzy enough to not give any real details. I've emailed him asking for some closeups. I've almost thought about doing a centerfire conversion on this one, but it would probably drop the value way down on the antique. I'll try the pinfire ammo first and see how it goes.

I still haven't heard back from the BATF yet. How long does it take to get a responce from them? There probably stakeing out my house and will knock down the door at 4:00 am and shoot my dogs or something, instead of a pleasant phone call.
I did send off another letter with pics of what I want to do and references to the code on their website asking for clarification and information.

I have the BFR in 45-70 and it can be a real handfull. I've loaded 405's up to 1750fps. It's not pleasant to shoot anymore, but is still controllable with groups under 2" at 50yds. Even at that load, the brass just drops out of the gun when tipped up.

palidin armoury said they would make one, $200-300 + gun, and help in the registration and transfer, $200. So it would be possible and legal to make one. I'd still like to hear back from the BATF and have something in writing.

The cheap way to go would be to get a EAA double in 45-70 when there availible and send it off to palidin to cut and pistol grip and register. Should come out under $1000. About the same as a BFR.

This old pinfire is an antique in unmodified condition, so the GCA rules don't apply to it.

I was almost thinking that if I build a new one on a modern action, that I should chamber it in 470NE. I would download the ammo for the howda, but could still shoot the ammo for my rifle in a pinch. It would suck to get them mixed up by accident though. Maybe just load cast bullets in the howda loads. I'm havening a 500gn mold made for the 470. I ordered my Pac-Nor barrels 10" long so I could use the ends in a pistol.

seeing great guns like that just makes my day. thanks lar45.

--qd

That knot on his noggin, will be the least of his worries, if the ATF finds out he made that thing from a shotgun! A firearm made from a shotgun, must have barrel, or barrels no shorter than 18", and the over-all length must be at least 26". This arm is illegal in the USA! As far as I know the regesteration of a machine gun,short shotgun, or rifle, only applies to factory made arms! Though the range inside a federal prison cell may be well suited to this thing as far as accuracy range is concerened!

Hope it doesn't break his wrist....

MacD37

I think one of us is confused here...

Why would a guy with a double-barreled .45-70 pistol in Norway give a rat's ass what the ATF thinks?

Maybe I misunderstood, but it seems clear to me that the link to the Norwegain pistol was just for information about what could be done technically. After all, the title of the thread is "45-70 Howda in Norway".

Lar45 is thinking along OTHER lines (which are legal in the US because that is where HE is and he DOES have to worry about the ATF). In Norway, he can even put a silencer on the damn thing legally!

In any case, you aren't going to find me shooting one of these bad boys! However, reading about them is sure interesting!

I think that I would pay money to see somebody shoot one of these pistols with a full 470 Nitro load! It would be much more entertainng than Saeed's "Champions" video!

jpb

[ 04-19-2003, 19:42: Message edited by: jpb ]

I think it needs to be said again that it would be illegal if not registerd and the making tax not paid. It is legal to own machine guns and class III guns as long as they are registerd and all the appropriate paperwork filed.

I realize that I'm the newbie here, and don't want to step on anybodys toes.

I do appreciate the knowlege shared here.
I do love guns, shooting and hunting.
I really like huge guns.

His gun weighs more than my BFR, and his loads aren't as hot as I've pushed my BFR, so it sounds controllable to me.

I think the pic of the end of the bbl was a partway done shot.

As soon as I get a responce in writing from the BATF, I'll post it on my webpage.

He says it shoots pretty good, I'll ask for a target to post.

More pics of the Norway 45-70 Howda
http://www.calibros.com/pondoro.htm

Get two contenders in 45-70 and weld em together! Make a 45-70 Howday or even 50-70 Howda from that ! Thats two pistols registered as such! It would probably work pretty well!
The Goose egg looks nothing like what happens when you hold a 585 Nyati incorrectly!-Rob

We looked at mating two Encore pistols at one time but it ends up pretty thick even if you streamlined the frames some, you would be better off with a new frame, which means it needs to be registered as a pistol
Jason

I don't know if it's within my skill level or not, but a buddy and I were looking over my 16 bore Howdah last night and think we might give it a try to make one from scratch. We are thinking about 50-70. It might turn out ugly, but it's worth a try. When we get started, I'll put a page up on my site.