If you guys like the 9.3 so $&@%!% much I will sell you mine! Unlike you I shot it went boom shot nice groups, didn't do anything for me. Mine was made in 1923 has the double set triggers and the butter knife bolt and all the other shit that goes with it. Personaly I can't wait for my 358 Norma mag to be complete and my 35 Whelen A.I to bo done to.

So, 323, put a price on it...I might buy it. email me if your serious.

Email sent.

Ketch,

I am obviously mistaken, I didn't know that .358 bullets could be had that big.

In Sweden we love our old caliber 9.3x57. It use the same bullets at 2100 fp/s, built on mauser 96 and 98. Some years ago I read that in a examination that caliber won over all the other including 9.3x62 in killing power. I don´t know if it´s true, but when hit a moose with it they go down allmost immediately.

The problem with overly heavy bullets in a .358 Win or 35 Whelen is that they are unlikey to stabilize (not the right twist) and have a good chance of tumbling in game, not to mention the loss of powder capacity when a 310 grain bullet is seated in a 35 whelen case.

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The problem with overly heavy bullets in a .358 Win or 35 Whelen is that they are unlikey to stabilize (not the right twist) and have a good chance of tumbling in game, not to mention the loss of powder capacity when a 310 grain bullet is seated in a 35 whelen case.

But assuming a 1-12 twist, a 310 grain 358 bullet will do just fine. Of course it would take up SO MUCH MORE powder space than the 320 in the 9.3x62. Give me a break..........

The advantage is stictly in print.

I like the 9.3x62, I am not one of these "One is better than the other" types. Romance is an important factor to rifle cartridges. The 9.3x62 has that, but so does the 35 Whelen.

What is funny has been the 9.3x62 is so MUCH better than the 35 Whelen, yet the can keep the same weight bullets within 100fps of one another, with only a .008" difference in diameter.

Atkinson has posted many times how an extra 100fps doesn't make a hill of differenc (I agree). He loves the 404, great romance there. But if I follow his logic on the 9.3x62 vs the 35 Whelen, I can only conclude that my 416 Taylor is FAR better than his 404, ............

sounds to me like the gun is worth about $500.00 after you remove all the deductions and no gots.

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Originally posted by Ketchikan:
The 9.3x62 has that, but so does the 35 Whelen.

9.3 x 62 is legal for dangerous game. 35 whelen is not.

Ummm, since when is a 9.3mm a 'big bore'?

George

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Originally posted by GeorgeS:
Ummm, since when is a 9.3mm a 'big bore'?

George

You had better follow the rules and move it

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9.3 x 62 is legal for dangerous game. 35 whelen is not.

I shall bear that in mind.

Who, me? Move an off-topic thread?

George

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9.3 x 62 is legal for dangerous game. 35 whelen is not

Oh................OK. Is that all countries? Could you please supply me with that list. Once again I have much to learn from you.

Thanks for your wisdom.......

So then the reason for not liking the 35 Whelen isn't that it can't do what the 9.3x62 can, it is a legal question. Is that about right?

So I can take my 9.3x62 Mannlicher with a 20 inch barrel shooting factory 286 grain bullets at 2350 fps to every country in Africa and hunt dangerous game...............Look out elephant.

Damn, I have been so blind for so long. Thanks.

Gotto go and sell the Whelen.

Also is it recommend to carry a chronograph when on safari?

Atkinson says it is silly to take a wildcat to Africa. So I have my 9.3x62 shooting handloads with 320 grain bullets at a high enough velocity to make the legal foot pounds requirement to hunt Buff in Zim.

Damn the luck, my ammo got lost. Thank God I am not carrying a wildcat. I can run right down to the local gunshop and buy some 9.3x62 ammo. But this is factory stuff, plus I only have a 20" barrel, most likely only going 2300 fps, TOPS with 286 grain bullets. Opps, I don't make the legal foot pound requirement for Zim.

Of course being the well prepared guy that I am, I had a chronograph packed away in my underwear, and I realize that I am 200 foot pounds from Legal. Damn, can't hunt buff in Zim this time around.

Any other brilliant observations.............Please these are making for great gag reels......

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Originally posted by Ketchikan:

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9.3 x 62 is legal for dangerous game. 35 whelen is not

Oh................OK. Is that all countries? Could you please supply me with that list. Once again I have much to learn from you.

Thanks for your wisdom.......

So then the reason for not liking the 35 Whelen isn't that it can't do what the 9.3x62 can, it is a legal question. Is that about right?

So I can take my 9.3x62 Mannlicher with a 20 inch barrel shooting factory 286 grain bullets at 2350 fps to every country in Africa and hunt dangerous game...............Look out elephant.

Damn, I have been so blind for so long. Thanks.

Gotto go and sell the Whelen.

If you are trying to be an ass, then you have achieved great success.

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If you are trying to be an ass, then you have achieved great success.

Nope, just trying to understand all the stuff you throw out there for the gallery. Just don't make sense, that is all.

I am sorry if I brought some logic into it. I shouldn't have done that.

You are correct the 9.3x62 has it ALL over the Whelen, you have proven your point well.

Thanks Smoke Blower................

Ketchikan,

In many African countries, there distinctions made between rounds considered DG-capable and those that are not legal for DG.

Alaska and Canada don't have that sort of restriction; some one could use a .243 on grizzly bear if they were so inclined; in Africa, a sport hunter using something like a .30-06 on lions would be illegal just about everywhere.

George

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Originally posted by Kalle:
In Sweden we love our old caliber 9.3x57. It use the same bullets at 2100 fp/s, built on mauser 96 and 98. Some years ago I read that in a examination that caliber won over all the other including 9.3x62 in killing power. I don´t know if it´s true, but when hit a moose with it they go down allmost immediately.

Damn fine round. I love my Model 46. It and the 358 Winchester make the other two pointless.

I don't see the point in this arguement..The 9.3x62 is more powerful than the 9.3x57 and the 9.3x64 is more powerful than the 9.3x62, anything other than that is

The 35 Whelen, 338-06, and 9.3x62 are all in the same class..With proper handloads in all of them, I consider the 9.3x62 to hold a small advantage over the other two but not enough to get my shorts in a wad defending it..

All are great calibers...

Maybe because its an ugly bloody thing and no one wants it ,iam buggered if i would pay 3 grand for it

Why no buy? The blessed scope mounts!!! Plus too many Americans don't understand the 9.2x62mm. I watched two 9.3s drop every sort of African plains game in South Africa last year, from Steenbok to Eland, Sable, and Kudu. It's a doggone great cartridge!!
LLS

35 Newton....
You can have that 9,3xpeasant volk!

I have shot enough game including Buffalo to consider the 9.3x62 in the same killing field as the great .375 H&H and the 9.3x64 and thats no slight praise...

It is a great caliber and in a 26" barrel with a good handload you can get a 320 gr. Woodleigh going right at 2350 FPS, or a 286 gr. Nosler at 2520 FPS, now thats hard to argue with...

George: You are being way to conservative. There are plenty of places in Alaska where you are allowed to shoot caribou from a boat, with the caribou in the the water, with a .22 rimfire. And it works just fine. You shoot them in the head and and drag them to shore. This is an activitiy for folks who do not live in cities. And .223s are used frequently on large dangerouse animals as well...the guns and bullets are cheap. Do they work? You bet (usually). Would I use one? Not in a minute.

This is addressed to 500: The reason people wouldn't by the rifle that 500 cited is is because it is (1) overpriced for what it is, and (2) it is a gun for looking at and not for using. That gun would not last a week under real hunting conditions. I want a 9.3x62 Brenneke to shoot black bears with, I think it would be both perfect for that purpose and fun...a fairly large slow bullet on an animal that demands some respect but is not a serious threat. But someone will buy that gun and be perfectly happy with it...but why would anyone want to sell that gun?

But the gun you are talking about is, well, a dandy...it is the sort of gun you would have to wash your hands before you picked it up so you wouldn't soil it. That is why most folks wouldn't buy it. I rarely buy guns with wood on them (but I do sometimes) and I always know that my guns are going to be subjected to lousy conditions. It is an awfully pretty gun though...it looks like it would suit you just fine...why don't you buy it?

rwj,

Did the hearing about Wayne Wagner move forward?

(yes, I am ignoring the personal attack. There seems to be something about Alaskan weather that makes guys cranky.)

500: I have no idea what you are talking about when you refer to Wayne Wagner. But since GeorgeS is the moderator of this forum, I know I had better watch what I say. I did have an earlier message (10 minutes ago) disconnected. So I suppose I should stop posting on the bigbore forum. Thought police and all.

500: I think you just like to argue. I will leave it at that.

Dance with the one that brung ya! I have a 35 Whelen and it does its job quite well. I would trade it for a CZ fullstock in 9.3X62 any day of the week. I just like fullstock rifles and haven't found one in 35 Whelen for a price I can afford. I do like SINGLE OR DOUBLE set triggers though. Nice. Back to the department of redundancy again, That is one overpriced gun at Cabela's. But they usually are! Packrattusnongratus

Want a nice sporting rifle based on a Mauser system try FN Presentation Grade. These offer excellent quality to price ratio.

rwj,

I think I confused your handle with someone else's.

However, Mauser 98 actions have proven themselves wonderfully reliable in battlefield conditions from WWI through the 1950's. A little Alaskan rain would not slow that rifle down.

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Originally posted by Mike378:
And would someone want a homely cartridge like the 9.3 X 62 in a rifle that looks it came from the Wby Custom Shop

Mike,

Why would someone want any rifle that looked as if it come from the Wby Custom Shop?

Regards,

Pete

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don't see the point in this arguement..The 9.3x62 is more powerful than the 9.3x57 and the 9.3x64 is more powerful than the 9.3x62, anything other than that is

The 35 Whelen, 338-06, and 9.3x62 are all in the same class..With proper handloads in all of them, I consider the 9.3x62 to hold a small advantage over the other two but not enough to get my shorts in a wad defending it..

All are great calibers...

I agree completely. I was just trying to figure out 500grains of B.S. comments. So far no answers, ah well. I guess I will get educated someplace else...............

Ketchikan,

In the interest of education (synonymous with eradication of ignorance on a particular subject), I offer you the following:

35 whelen and 9.3 x 62 fit into the same size action

9.3 x 62 has 10% more powder capacity (more velocity! or heavier bullets at the same velocity)

9.3 x 62 rifles have a twist designed for 286 and 320 grain bullets. 35 whelens are typically set up for 225 or 250 grain bullets.

9.3 x 62 factory chambers have throats designed to accomodate long bullets like the 320. But most 35 whelen do not have long throats, so heavy bullets like 310's must be seated deep, eating up powder space and resulting in lower velocity.

9.3 x 62 is legal for taking dangerous game in several African countries, while 35 whelen is not.

35 whelen was invented many years AFTER 9.3 x 62, which is why I say it is reinvention of the wheel in inferior form.

The only thing the 35 whelen has going for it is greater selection of el cheapo bullets (Speer, Hornady) in the U.S. As for factory ammo, it is very unlikely you will find any for the 35 whelen in a store in Africa. But 9.3 x 62 is a regular item in several African sporting goods stores.

QED.

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Originally posted by 500grains:
.35 whelen was invented many years AFTER 9.3 x 62, which is why I say it is reinvention of the wheel in inferior form.

And the 9,3x62 was invented quite a bit after the 9x63 M/88 (the ancestor of the copycat .35 Whelen), which about closes the circle.. uhh, wheel.
:-)
Carcano

The 35 Whelan is different for reasons having nothing to do with superiority or inferiority. It's just different, OK?

OK