hey everyone.....

has anyone here been in possesion or is in possesion of a baikal double rifle,in any calibre?

im a budget hunter,wishing to go double.

opinions welcome,good or bad.

thanks,cheerio.....zac

If you do a search you should find lots of pages on this. It was a hot item here last summer.

hi p dog,yea have done,but only one guy had one, and seemed to like it,yet not like it,which is ok but i was hoping for a bit more info......

im also talking over the over under model,as its available in 9.3x74r......

if i get one from the european dealer in finland,i'll be sure to post all the info here.

had a baikal 12 double,boxlock ejector, it was a nice gun,toughest ever,loved the chrome bores...the trigger gaurd always seemed to smack my finger though,odd that.......

good gun.

zac.

Does anyone know when it will be available here? Can the 45-70 model be re-chambered to 450 NE???

I have one of their combo guns in 12 over 7x57R works well. I jsut don't know if they have any the states yet. I know a lot of the guys here were talking about getting them. Haven't heard if anybody has yet.

this is so weird......they're publicised on the baikal site,and on eea corp's site,and yet they arent truly available!!!!!!!!

i mean.....whats the point?! and whats the problem?!!! did they have a last minute change of mind on the price? the over under is easier and cheaper to make than a true sxs rifle......

i dont know,maybe somebody should call baikal in russia and ask them......

that 12 i had,was a tough little blighter.....

the stock,well,sucked,i suppose,but action,barrel,trigger etc were really tough,and well made. you could customise one of these into a beauty if you wished to,i reckon.

as for chambering-if its anywhere near as tough as its shotgun sister,then it should be ripe for it.

cheers all,thanks. zac

I spoke to EAA here in the states. They said the 45-70 SxS rifle was to be released in the spring of 2005. It was going to be released by Remington under the Spartan Name.


http://www.eaacorp.com/firearms/rifles/sidebyside/izhmp221d.shtml

ahhh,thanks foxfire,your a saint mate!

hmm,maybe baikal just advertised too far ahead.........

any idea of the cost? is it now only available through remington?

1 great thing there is i can get remy's stuff anywhere in the world!!!!!!! but lets hear the price first,even if they do the stock work,it has to stay cheap,otherwise....who'd bother?

thanks....................zac

Fox, could it handle the 450 NE re-chamber?

Elephantstopper, I added the pricing link for you. The MSRP for this rifle seems to be $629.00 U.S.

http://www.eaacorp.com/firearms/rifles/sidebyside/izhmp221t.shtml

Wolfgar, I'm sorry but I have no idea. I don't know anything more about the gun. I could tell you this. If it hits the market at $629.00 US for a cheap imitation SxS 45-70 I'm still gonna buy one to play with.
If I'm not mistaken I paid that kind of money for my Valmet shotgun. I love it, I added the 30-06 and the 9.3x74R barrels and still love it. Look at what they are worth today. Better than money in the stock market.

See if this works http://www.remington.com/whatsnew/press/2005/fis_sbsrifles.htm

hi foxfire,whats your name chum?

i've seen the site and prices friend,the thing is,the gun doesnt exist as yet,and i dont know how to get one when it does,as yet,due to the fact that the finnish dealer for europe hasnt replied yet. i will ring,i suppose. if remy make them though,things will be fine,all smiths here sell remy gear,same as in england.

i may end up getting a valmet or tikka or finnclassic too mate,as the 9.3x74r over under baikal doesnt seem to exist as such either. bloody hell.

cheers friend..................................zac

Elephantstopper, Yes this gun does exist. Just talked to Remington, and was told it will be out in March or April. VERY interesting!!

Tembo,
That's a better site with more information. The MSRP @ $559.00 seems very reasonable.

Elephantstopper,
Check out Tembo's link it's a lot more recent.
If it's made by Remington @ $559.00 you shouldn't have any problem getting one anywhere in the world when they arrive.

Steve

thankyou very much tembo,and thanks steve!

cant find it on remy's site though,not even in the spring '05 new products section. why didnt they put it on the site???

hope they have enough,i can get my local smithy to bring one in from america easily enough im sure.

thanks guys.........hmm,after aaec's letdown,i feel kind of pessimistic.... you lads will get the gun before me im sure,tell me if it turns up will ya?!

cheers......................................zac

It's true, the .45-70 Gov't. doubles will be out in 2005.

Also... Elvis is alive and living on an island with Bruce Lee and JFK.

Russ

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I knew that all along.

Russ, You sound a little pessimistic. If it was not associated with Remington, I would tend to agree with you. All we can do is wait and see. Should be an interesting rifle to play with, if it does come out.

I've emailed the company and they told me "next year" for the last three years.
I've seen it said on the internet that Big Green was going to distribute them with the Remington name on them. I called Remington's Customer Service number they passed me along to Marketing who said that they hadn't heard about any plans to work with Bakail at all.
I realize that no one at Remington is obligated to tell me the truth but they have been good about giving answers like "We are considering products like that" or "We look at a number of options" etc.

hahaha,good one russell!!! i have a feeling there are some communication probs at baikal. i have no idea if this thing will happen at all,maybe it will,but maybe there are some financial talks going on,that are slowing things down.

thinking about it-how many of us will buy one? most of us on this forum,i bet,just because of the price if anything.......and how many more across the world?????? this rifle will be a big thing.im sure of it.

always happy to buy off remy. and especially at a reduced price.........?i thought it was going to be $629 or something????????

cheers..........................zac

guys,is it just me...or do you ever get the feeling your being used as a marketing guinea pig?

can anyone here from russia help us? if someone could ring the company,im sure a lot could be found out.

cheers lads..................zac

Guys, FORGET about Balkaii. They apparently sold this to Remington, who will manufacture and distribute it. Try calling Remington for yourselves, exactly what I did today. Had absolutely no problem getting through to the right person and they told me at the end of the first quarter, Spring 2005. Here's their # 1-800-243-9700. Check it out for yourselves.

Every year, all of the major comapanies list products to be out in a few months. You call, and it is a few more months. Call 3 months later and it is a few more months. Some of these projects never happen at all, some happen, but much later, and some happen, but with changes form the original plan.

So when people here are skeptical, they are not picking on Remmington or being pessimistic people, they are just basing what is said on years of dealing with these things. Maybe these things will come out one day, maybe they won't. I don't care either way. A double rifle priced less than what a decetn bolt action costs will not satisfy me, I can assure you of that, sight unseen

oooh,sorry tembo old chum,didnt see your link there.........

perfect,sounds great,47-70 for me thanks.......and with garret ammo too!!!!!!!!

as long as the bloody thing works,i'll be one very happy bunny.

is it just me,or is 7.5 pounds quite light in 30-06 or 45-70??? a kick never did anyone any harm though eh?! hehe.

thanks guys,never saw that link,didnt know where to look on remy's site obviously either.

all great. just hope they live up to what they have said.

for $559,who cares if the gun isnt like something made for prince charles?!

cheers all.....................zac.

http://www.spartangunworks.com/

hey lads,have a look at this then..........

zac.

I can't find any sxs rifle on the spartan site.
Yes the rifle now does appear on the Baikal site. I want one of these bad.

hi 416...........

look under rifles,and go to rifles/combos then go to specifications,and the spr22 for 559 is the double rifle.............there is also mention in the info above the combo and single shot rifle immediately after you click the rifles/combos icon.

cheers..................zac.

Thanks Ele never looked at the specs page.

no probs mate.........

if you get one before me,post how she was on here please.......

cheers.......................zac.

I just got an email response from Remington that said the rifles are curently in production and should be released this Spring. We'll see. When and if they do come out, one is definately on my have to get list.

Thanks for the link guys. I guess the 6.5-284 on the MRC action is going to wait even longer to get completed. I'll probably just buy one and let it sit in the safe until someone perfects the art of goosing the horsepower on it.

From the product manual for the sxs, o/u and single shot shotguns listed on the Spartan site,

Manufacturer:
Izhevsky Mekhanichesky Zavod
8, Promyshlennaya str.,
426063 Izhevsk, Russia

So, my question is, what does this do to the Stevens 411 sxs? Or is Baikal going to continue on with both firms?

By the way, IMZ says that the MP-221, their 45-70 sxs is only in the marketing stage. That is, they do not have this gun in production.

http://www.baikalinc.ru/eng/prod/rifle/mr221/

Pete

Stay Tuned

I you are considering a budget double consider Tikka/ Valmet. I have one in 9,3x74R and have shot it a lot, hunting moose. I love that gun
It is not pretty but very strong and very easily handled.

hi again guys,heres the reply i got for the BAIKAL 9.3x74r double today........

in reply to your e-mail please be advised
that at the present time we do not produce
the IZH 94 cal. 9,3x74R or any other rifles in this caliber.

my question is,why bloody advertise the damn thing then?!! its on other sites too.

baikal are being unprofessional.........

zac.