458 Lott or 416 Rigby

16 December 2008, 08:59

ovny

quote:
Originally posted by shootaway:
The real winner is the Lott.The Lott could shoot a 500gr bullet as accurate as anything and is the simpler and more PRACTICLE of the two.It is also an improvement over Africas' most popular big game cartridge ever,the 458wm.A famous SHOOTER once said "a 500gr bullet at 2300fps is serious business".

Hello, important opinion yours, perhaps 458 Lott is against a more severe recoil, but I with one or two shots a year I can do, I do not think you have problems.

Thank you,

Oscar.

16 December 2008, 09:01

ovny

quote:
Originally posted by dogcat:
With just limited experience firing rounds from each, I sold mine and went with the .375 H&H

I also have a 375 H & H Magnum, and I was the other day hunting wild boar and not had the fortune of being able to shoot anyone.

A greeting,

Oscar.

16 December 2008, 18:53

jro45

I have the 458 Lott and the Rem. 416 but the lott can do more than the 416. Bigger bullet.

16 December 2008, 19:00

ovny

quote:
Originally posted by jro45:
I have the 458 Lott and the Rem. 416 but the lott can do more than the 416. Bigger bullet.

Hey you use the 416 but then gives away the rifle to me jeje, is a joke. You think like me, big horse walk or not walk (a Spanish proverb).

25 December 2008, 22:32

ovny

Thank you very much all for your participation.

Oscar.

26 December 2008, 00:19

DArcy_Echols_Co

I felt compelled to add to this thread as I have built quite a few Lotts. I have also shot well over 4000 Lott rounds down range. This cartidge choice is not for everybody, recoil being THE major factor. From the bench I'm good for about 12 accurate rounds then I need to quit. In the field it is nothing short of impressive if you can handle the recoil. It will shoot very flat as well. Loaded with 500Gr Swifts at 2250 fps and zeroed for 150 yards the drop at 300 yards is only -13". The last Buffalo I shot was 167 steps from were I had to take the shot as we weren't getting any closer. I held accordingly and shot him through the heart and then up the ass with another 500gr Woodleigh FMJ as he ran into a wall of 12' tall grass. He went about 40 yards into the grass and died before we got there. While the PH used all the caution in the world as we approached the bull in that morass there was little doubt in my mind as to where the first bullet landed. I hope to return to hunt Mt Buffalo in Tanzania in a couple years and a Lott will be the cartridge I take. I have found the Lott to be a very accurate and can be loaded from 2150 to 2300 fps with a variety of 500gr bullets and turn out 1/2" three shot groups at 100 yards. I have a few clients that have used them on Brown bears with predictable results and two bears were shot at 200 yards out of necessity and died were they stood. The speed of the rifle recoil moment is just death on variable scopes and I have busted many scopes no matter the pedigree. Is it better than any of the 416's? Maybe but only if you can handle the recoil. Is it as effective as the 50's ? probably no if the shooter can handle the recoil of the 50's. I have found that the Lott is my own personal limit in recoil. I really like it, I have no problems in getting them to shoot, feed, or preform.

26 December 2008, 00:33

ovny

quote:
I felt compelled to add to this thread as I have built quite a few Lotts. I have also shot well over 4000 Lott rounds down range. This cartidge choice is not for everybody, recoil being THE major factor. From the bench I'm good for about 12 accurate rounds then I need to quit. In the field it is nothing short of impressive if you can handle the recoil. It will shoot very flat as well. Loaded with 500Gr Swifts at 2250 fps and zeroed for 150 yards the drop at 300 yards is only -13". The last Buffalo I shot was 167 steps from were I had to take the shot as we weren't getting any closer. I held accordingly and shot him through the heart and then up the ass with another 500gr Woodleigh FMJ as he ran into a wall of 12' tall grass. He went about 40 yards into the grass and died before we got there. While the PH used all the caution in the world as we approached the bull in that morass there was little doubt in my mind as to where the first bullet landed. I hope to return to hunt Mt Buffalo in Tanzania in a couple years and a Lott will be the cartridge I take. I have found the Lott to be a very accurate and can be loaded from 2150 to 2300 fps with a variety of 500gr bullets and turn out 1/2" three shot groups at 100 yards. I have a few clients that have used them on Brown bears with predictable results and two bears were shot at 200 yards out of necessity and died were they stood. The speed of the rifle recoil moment is just death on variable scopes and I have busted many scopes no matter the pedigree. Is it better than any of the 416's? Maybe but only if you can handle the recoil. Is it as effective as the 50's ? probably no if the shooter can handle the recoil of the 50's. I have found that the Lott is my own personal limit in recoil. I really like it, I have no problems in getting them to shoot, feed, or preform.

For the moment I do not feel the recoil of 375 H & H magnum. It is the largest caliber with whom I shot, but friend, I want to live thrills and I think the 458 Lott should leave a good taste in your mouth. I think it will not go to Africa to hunt time, maybe never, but I want to complete my dealer, because I have a rifle from 338 Win Mag, one of the 375 H & M and I want a a big bore, and it´s a 458 Lott. I too am very enamored of the 416 Rigby, but I see it very close to 375.

A greeting and thanks,

Oscar.

27 December 2008, 17:32

JBrown

quote:
I too am very enamored of the 416 Rigby, but I see it very close to 375.

Like you, I also don't feel the recoil of the 375.

Having shot the 416 and 458 I call tell you that you WILL feel the recoil.

Jason

Jason

"You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core."
_______________________

Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt.

Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry
Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure.

-Jason Brown

27 December 2008, 19:46

chuck375

I know it's not in the subject line, but what about the 450 Rigby? How does it compare to the 416 Rigby and 458 Lott?

Regards,
Chuck

27 December 2008, 20:34

ovny

quote:
I know it's not in the subject line, but what about the 450 Rigby? How does it compare to the 416 Rigby and 458 Lott?

Regards,
Chuck

Hey Chuck, the 450 Rigby is a great cartridge, higher benefits to the other two, however Ceska rifles are also more expensive, something like 1000 euros (2050 euros compared to 1015 euros). That is the problem if the goddamn money. And I think the 458 lott option is not bad, right?

Best regards,

Oscar.

27 December 2008, 21:42

chuck375

Everyone I know speaks highly of the Lott, holds more in the magazine, downside is recoil of which the 450 Rigby will have more. The 450 Rigby should attain Lott velocities at lower pressure or shoot a bit faster at the same pressure levels with more recoil. I just wondered why it wasn't in the mix.

Chuck

27 December 2008, 22:52

ovny

quote:
Everyone I know speaks highly of the Lott, holds more in the magazine, downside is recoil of which the 450 Rigby will have more. The 450 Rigby should attain Lott velocities at lower pressure or shoot a bit faster at the same pressure levels with more recoil. I just wondered why it wasn't in the mix.

I did not understand very well your reply. I have read that the 450 Rigby has more speed and energy that Lott, in terms of setbacks that generates Lott and Rigby (458 and 450 not know what). I said you like me, I want a 450 Rigby or better yet a 505 Gibbs, but this would mean having to save another four years jeje and I want the rifle soon jajaja.

A greeting,

Oscar.

28 December 2008, 11:34

ovny

Hi, a question, do load ammunition caliber 458 Lott Factory Winchester ?, Is that the ammunition from Winchester Power Point, plus it is very cost effective. In their catalog I do not see it in this caliber.

Thank you,

Oscar.

29 December 2008, 19:16

blackbearhunter

Hornady makes it.Check this out.
https://www.hornady.com/shop/?...9301df6b78e606139146

29 December 2008, 21:45

ovny

Thank you very much blackbearhunter.

Regards and Happy New Year,

Oscar.

29 December 2008, 21:54

blackbearhunter

Same to you and your welcome anytime,we 458LOTT Fans have to stick together

A-square ammo link..

http://a-squareco.com/Ammunition.html

29 December 2008, 22:10

blackbearhunter

Federal makes it too,check out this link..

http://www.midwayusa.com/eprod...ampaign=653#enalarge

29 December 2008, 23:15

ovny

Yes friend but Federal is more expensive than Hornady and I´m poor jejeje.

Thank you again,

Oscar.

30 December 2008, 00:57

blackbearhunter

More info

http://www.chuckhawks.com/450Watts.htm

30 December 2008, 01:24

ovny

As far as I understand this article, the 450 Watts and 458 Lott got the same benefits? Go two rounds, a smaller diameter and with the same power to one of greater diameter. In Spain it is easier to find Lott, since it is produced commercially. I do not know whether the cartridge is 450 Watts in the Spanish market.

Thanks again,

Oscar.

30 December 2008, 04:58

Rodney H.{500Jeffery}

So many choices and tough ones to boot. Well in my opinion since Ovny already has a .375H&H, then why not go for the .458Lott to have as a stopping rifle and use the .375 for smaller critters and as a backup to the bigger .458. The .416Rigby is also a great cartridge capable of a flatter angle of flight over the Lott and is possible of much greater energy than the H&H mentioned. Through the careful efforts of handloading the .416 Rigby can approach the Lott in energy levels well over 5000 ft lbs of energy but making a slightly smaller hole. If he didn't already have the .375 then I would say get the Rigby, but taking the consideration of his {Ovny} H&H then go for the Lott. With myself it is no problem as I have a .375H&H, .416 Rigby, .458 Lott, .505 Gibbs and still growing in my addiction with no help in sight. Good Luck Ovny, hope none of us have caused you any confusion. Rodney.

30 December 2008, 08:36

ovny

quote:
So many choices and tough ones to boot. Well in my opinion since Ovny already has a .375H&H, then why not go for the .458Lott to have as a stopping rifle and use the .375 for smaller critters and as a backup to the bigger .458. The .416Rigby is also a great cartridge capable of a flatter angle of flight over the Lott and is possible of much greater energy than the H&H mentioned. Through the careful efforts of handloading the .416 Rigby can approach the Lott in energy levels well over 5000 ft lbs of energy but making a slightly smaller hole. If he didn't already have the .375 then I would say get the Rigby, but taking the consideration of his {Ovny} H&H then go for the Lott. With myself it is no problem as I have a .375H&H, .416 Rigby, .458 Lott, .505 Gibbs and still growing in my addiction with no help in sight. Good Luck Ovny, hope none of us have caused you any confusion. Rodney.

No friend, quite the contrary, I have enriched your comments. I'm almost decided by the 458 Lott, and that I "plant" at least proves that I won the lottery in my country, which then seine the house through the window and buy a 505 Gibss as you or something more "big" ( 600 OK, or similar).

Thank you very much and Happy New Year

Oscar.

30 December 2008, 08:40

ovny

By the way, Rod, I have a Ceska's 375 H & H Magnum, that's why I want something more powerful. The 458 Lott is the ideal medicine. Now to continue saving. That remedy.

Oscar.

02 May 2009, 00:48

ovny

Hello again, my intention is to know a little better ballistics caliber 458 Lott, and especially effective distance of the cartridge. I hope not to bother.

Thank you,

Oscar.

02 May 2009, 04:37

<thors460>

this has got to be a joke this guy has been asking the same question for the past 3 years on about 6 different fourms donttroll

02 May 2009, 11:42

ovny

quote:
Originally posted by thors460:
this has got to be a joke this guy has been asking the same question for the past 3 years on about 6 different fourms

I am not any troll, also I like to know and read responses from all forums, many people, I believe that this is not prohibited. If you want replied and but no answer, but I believe that not insult anyone with my questions and I am always grateful with replies I receive. You should not accuse anybody, I still think that I do not no evil asking one same thing in different forums.

Oscar.

02 May 2009, 11:52

<thors460>

quote:
No friend, quite the contrary, I have enriched your comments. I'm almost decided by the 458 Lott, and that I "plant" at least proves that I won the lottery in my country, which then seine the house through the window and buy a 505 Gibss as you or something more "big" ( 600 OK, or similar).

Thank you very much and Happy New Year

funny how you go from perfect english to broken english

02 May 2009, 12:27

ovny

quote:
Originally posted by thors460:

funny how you go from perfect english to broken english

I do not understand that you want to say with your last post.

Oscar.

02 May 2009, 12:33

ovny

I use google translator (well now I have discovered the Windows Live) to translate my words to participate in this forum. In your last post you seem to reproach which I sometimes use a perfect English and other worse. Not it?, I have no answer to this issue, I try to write more correctly in my language, and then to see translation try fix it more obvious mistakes. I I have studied some English of my life and I know something of English grammar. But I don't know to that come your post accusing. I am not a troll and everything that myself to learn about the calibre 458 Lott and the 416 Rigby, because both are cartridges I like much. If someone tells me that bother you my speeches, I with great regret leave speak on the forums, but I think that I am correct with all members of the Forum.

A greeting

Oscar.

02 May 2009, 12:34

<thors460>

ok axel/judy donttroll

02 May 2009, 12:50

ovny

quote:
Originally posted by thors460:
ok axel/judy

I did not understand your last post, but I am uncomfortable with your interests, because I am insulted. I am not a troll.

Oscar.

12 May 2009, 22:02

ovny

Hi, I have some news: Yesterday some of the messages exchanged with the dealer that I am going to buy rifle 458 Lott. The topic was a butt of plywood, and I would like my Lott was fitted with a butt like that. The dealer replied that can be asked to order, and also told me that the importer and distributor of a rifle was left alone in this size in stock, so the dealer called me and told me to pay him a percentage of the rifle and I save that until I could pay the remainder. And so we did, so I am saving but I am certain that I will be holding a rifle Ceska in caliber 458 Lott. Thanks everybody, I am very happy.

Best regards,

Oscar.

12 May 2009, 22:48

mstarling

Oscar,

The good part of this problem is that you really can't make a bad choice. Both the .416 Rigby and the .458 Lott are terrific cartridges.

I have a .416 Rigby and a different .458 that is as powerful as the Lott (.458 AR). The Rigby is very versatile but so are the larger .458 cartridges.

Enjoy your Lott ... you made a fine choice!

13 May 2009, 01:15

ovny

quote:
Oscar,

The good part of this problem is that you really can't make a bad choice. Both the .416 Rigby and the .458 Lott are terrific cartridges.

I have a .416 Rigby and a different .458 that is as powerful as the Lott (.458 AR). The Rigby is very versatile but so are the larger .458 cartridges.

Enjoy your Lott ... you made a fine choice!

Mike

Thank you very much Mike, I am very happy with the election. What is the setback 458 Lott?, Terrible truth. I already have a 375 H & H Magnum, so I felt that a 416 Rigby did not deviate much from the performance of 375 and I also thought about the 458 Winchester Magnum, but in this forum and other pages found in the 458 Lott and I fell in love with him. I'll try to enjoy much of Lott.

Thanks Mike,

Oscar.