I have the opportunity to buy a RSM in 416 that was made back when they first came out. It is in excellent condition AND comes with 200 pieces of new norma brass. The orig owner is deceased and the family is open to offers.

Thoughts on price, pros/cons of first production models. Don't really need it but the offer is intriguing.

I bought my last one on this very site for $1200.

Brad

So I guess the asking price of $900 is actually a great one. What is the new brass worth?

$58.98 per 20 shipping not included at Hunington's

Run don't walk to buy it. At that price you can put it in the classifieds and make enough to make the effort worthwhile.

LWD

Buy it now and think later. I just bought an RSM (my third) for a bunch more and am considering a CZ as well. The new brass will last a lifetime as I have shot some of mine 6 and 8 times receiving it with my first rifle already having been fired 4 times.
If you decide not to purchase let me know because me and about 50 others on this sight will.
A great deal. Even at $1500 the family and you will come out.
Frank

I never understand the thinking on pricing of rifles like this. It is worth what you are willing to pay for it - $1200 to $1500.

However, I would suggest just pay them a more than fair price - they are selling the possessions of someone that has passed and really do not know what it is worth. If you pay them $500 for it, get it, resell it - are you then going to give them some or all of what you should have paid for it? What if the family finds out you paid way to little for it? How do you think they will feel - that you cheated them.

Just pay them the current fair price - like what Frank suggested.

You will spend more on the first two boxes of ammo than on what you do not spend on the gun.

The most important thing to consider,IMO is the wear in the bore.If the rifling is like new and you know what new rifling looks like then the rifle is worth something.If the rifling is gone and it will not shoot bullets accurately and the cost of rebarrelling with sights and all is 2000,then is it worth anything? IMO,this should be similar to renting a drill with a diamond tip blade,where the wear on the tip is measured and you are charged accordingly.

dogcat, I like your way of thinking. Unfortunately there are way too many that don't consider any sort of honesty as important. Those people will find out in the end, however.

Shootaway....have you ever seen a shot out 416R RSM? Hell, a 416R of any make? Very unlikely.

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I've never seen any rifle, even ones like 220 Swift, worn like that at the muzzle. I suspect that is the result of cleaing obsessively from the wrong end.

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Originally posted by Art S.:
I've never seen any rifle, even ones like 220 Swift, worn like that at the muzzle. I suspect that is the result of cleaing obsessively from the wrong end.

The 220 swift and many other cartridges will wear out the throat before anything else.The rifle above was never cleaned from the muzzle end.Some cartridges,when loaded to their maximum charge will wear out the rifling in front of the throat before you ever get to clean it.Do you believe that 20 or 30 strokes of a patch on a brush a week can do this and cause greater wear than 2 or 3 thousand bullets going down the bore? I don't.

I did say very unlikely....which is not the same as impossible. I would hazard a guess it is a rare event.

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Originally posted by Art S.:
I've never seen any rifle, even ones like 220 Swift, worn like that at the muzzle. I suspect that is the result of cleaing obsessively from the wrong end.

The 220 swift and many other cartridges will wear out the throat before anything else.The rifle above was never cleaned from the muzzle end.Some cartridges,when loaded to their maximum charge will wear out the rifling in front of the throat before you ever get to clean it.Do you believe that 20 or 30 strokes of a patch on a brush a week can do this and cause greater wear than 2 or 3 thousand bullets going down the bore? I don't.

That would depend on whats on the patch and brush and how many weeks you are speaking of. Looks alot more like improper cleaning than bullet wear. by the time a bullet gets to the muzzel it is already engraved.

SSR

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Originally posted by shootaway:

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Originally posted by Art S.:
I've never seen any rifle, even ones like 220 Swift, worn like that at the muzzle. I suspect that is the result of cleaing obsessively from the wrong end.

The 220 swift and many other cartridges will wear out the throat before anything else.The rifle above was never cleaned from the muzzle end.Some cartridges,when loaded to their maximum charge will wear out the rifling in front of the throat before you ever get to clean it.Do you believe that 20 or 30 strokes of a patch on a brush a week can do this and cause greater wear than 2 or 3 thousand bullets going down the bore? I don't.

That would depend on whats on the patch and brush and how many weeks you are speaking of. Looks alot more like improper cleaning than bullet wear. by the time a bullet gets to the muzzel it is already engraved.

SSR

If you are going to come on here from nowhere and give me advice as to how I should properly clean my rifle you should first show me that you own one and that you could hit your target with it at least better than I can.

I think the .416 Rigby is the ONLY RSM that has any real value. The .375 H&H is way too heavy and the Lott does not need that long, magnum length action. However, this appears to be the first iteration of the RSM so, if it is in good shape, I think the $900 price is about right. I doubt that the barrel is shot out.

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Originally posted by Cross L:

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Originally posted by shootaway:

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Originally posted by Art S.:
I've never seen any rifle, even ones like 220 Swift, worn like that at the muzzle. I suspect that is the result of cleaing obsessively from the wrong end.

The 220 swift and many other cartridges will wear out the throat before anything else.The rifle above was never cleaned from the muzzle end.Some cartridges,when loaded to their maximum charge will wear out the rifling in front of the throat before you ever get to clean it.Do you believe that 20 or 30 strokes of a patch on a brush a week can do this and cause greater wear than 2 or 3 thousand bullets going down the bore? I don't.

That would depend on whats on the patch and brush and how many weeks you are speaking of. Looks alot more like improper cleaning than bullet wear. by the time a bullet gets to the muzzel it is already engraved.

SSR

If you are going to come on here from nowhere and give me advice as to how I should properly clean my rifle you should first show me that you own one and that you could hit your target with it at least better than I can.

Not coming out of nowhere and dont have to show you shit. Guns are guns and all your BS doesnt change Physics. You need to listen to others instead of believing your ownpress releases. I have seenyou argue with some of the most respected people on here about your bull shit. Rapid fire that we cant see at a distance we dont know doesnt prove a damn thing and I saw your Africa vids gut shooting buff dont impress me. I didnt badmouth you till you started.
So sit down shut up and shoot. If you would listen to some on here you MIGHT learn but since you live in your other deminsion I doubt it.

SSR

I wonder why you even clicked on any one of my vids.I know beforehand not to click on yours because there wouldn't be anything there worth seeing.