I've got some of thee bullets and I thought I'd see who has loaded them. I haven't yet. I've had great success with H4350 in the 375 Ruger with 300, 270 and 250gr bullets. Anyone use H4350 with the 350's?

Yes, in the 375 H&H it's a great powder for the 350g Woodleigh. Don't really have load info for the 375 Ruger. Don't drive them over 2400 fps for best bullet (expansion / penetration) performance.

I suspect that you will have to seat them pretty deep and may not be able to get useful velocities.

465H&H

We built one Legend in the 375 Ruger for a PH in Zambia. He has put it to use with 350gr Woodleigh RN softs and FMJ solids. He likes the Solids but has had some issues with the softs on buff. We may go to the protected point this season. The Barnes 350 TSX may be to long. Our best loads were with R-17 and drove the Woodleighs at 2400fps

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Originally posted by DArcy_Echols_Co:
We built one Legend in the 375 Ruger for a PH in Zambia. He has put it to use with 350gr Woodleigh RN softs and FMJ solids. He likes the Solids but has had some issues with the softs on buff. We may go to the protected point this season. The Barnes 350 TSX may be to long. Our best loads were with R-17 and drove the Woodleighs at 2400fps

I would agree that the 350grain TSX is probably too long. The 300 TSx will give you as much penetration, flatter trajectory, and stronger bullet integrity. And R17 works well, though the Ruger usually wants three or more grains of powder than the H&H. (Myself, I would mainly carry 250TTSX, but I like to preserve long range capability.)

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Originally posted by DArcy_Echols_Co:
We built one Legend in the 375 Ruger for a PH in Zambia. He has put it to use with 350gr Woodleigh RN softs and FMJ solids. He likes the Solids but has had some issues with the softs on buff. We may go to the protected point this season. The Barnes 350 TSX may be to long. Our best loads were with R-17 and drove the Woodleighs at 2400fps

Darcy,

What kind of velocity can you get with the 350 Woodleigh in the 375 Ruger?

465H&H

If 2400fps is optimum velocity, it should be easy to get that with H4350. THanks for the input.

We could not get 2400fps with either IMR or H-4350. 2325-2350fps was the absolute max in 90 degree temps and accuracy with this barrel was not at all great. The barrel length was 24"

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Originally posted by DArcy_Echols_Co:
We could not get 2400fps with either IMR or H-4350. 2325-2350fps was the absolute max in 90 degree temps and accuracy with this barrel was not at all great. The barrel length was 24"

At that velocity it should penetrate a small sherman tank from end to end!

465H&H

As a start point for loading the 350 Woodleigh in the 375 Ruger, suggest that you review the suggested load data for that bullet in the 375 H&H. This data is provided by Woodleigh. You will have a good safe starting load for increasing then IMR or H-4350 in your gun.
See http://www.woodleighbullets.co...e/loading-tips#LOADS
Sincerely,

I got 2350 fps with the load data from Woodleigh using H4350 in my CZ 550 with a 25" barrel. I plan to work up some loads in my 375 Weatherby which has a 22" barrel using H4350. Should be very close to the 375 Ruger. No sense in push velocity though, 2300 fps with the 350g Woodleigh will penetrate as well as a 300g TSX or A-Frame at 2550 and expand to 2 x diameter still retaining over 90% of original weight.

For .375 Ruger 350 gr TSX I settled at 71 gr of RL-17 avg. velocity 2389 fps. I went as high as 73 gr but backed off after seeing mild pressure signs at 2416 fps. Worked great on cape buff in Zim!

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Originally posted by 465H&H:

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Originally posted by DArcy_Echols_Co:
We could not get 2400fps with either IMR or H-4350. 2325-2350fps was the absolute max in 90 degree temps and accuracy with this barrel was not at all great. The barrel length was 24"

At that velocity it should penetrate a small sherman tank from end to end!

465H&H

I wasn't aware that Sherman tanks came in different sizes



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Thanks for the Woodleigh link. I hadn't seen it before. 2300-2350 should be fine for this. I doubt I'll be using it for anything past 100 yards, anyway.

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Originally posted by Cross L:

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Originally posted by 465H&H:

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Originally posted by DArcy_Echols_Co:
We could not get 2400fps with either IMR or H-4350. 2325-2350fps was the absolute max in 90 degree temps and accuracy with this barrel was not at all great. The barrel length was 24"

At that velocity it should penetrate a small sherman tank from end to end!

465H&H

I wasn't aware that Sherman tanks came in different sizes



SSR

Put one next to a German Tiger and it becomes a small sherman tank.

465H&H

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Originally posted by DArcy_Echols_Co:
We built one Legend in the 375 Ruger for a PH in Zambia. He has put it to use with 350gr Woodleigh RN softs and FMJ solids. He likes the Solids but has had some issues with the softs on buff. We may go to the protected point this season. The Barnes 350 TSX may be to long. Our best loads were with R-17 and drove the Woodleighs at 2400fps

What was your RL-17 load? I've got a couple of pounds of that on my shelf. I've only used it for 300gr NAB loads.

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Originally posted by chuck375:
I got 2350 fps with the load data from Woodleigh using H4350 in my CZ 550 with a 25" barrel. I plan to work up some loads in my 375 Weatherby which has a 22" barrel using H4350. Should be very close to the 375 Ruger. No sense in push velocity though, 2300 fps with the 350g Woodleigh will penetrate as well as a 300g TSX or A-Frame at 2550 and expand to 2 x diameter still retaining over 90% of original weight.

Chuck, are you using a H&H or a RUger?

I would think this is where a standard length action (unless long throated as a setup) would be a hindrance and where an action like say, the CZ would have an edge. Then again, with a SD like that who cares if velocity is 2250-2300fps? I would view that as a plus.

Not a fantastic group, but I didn't do any load development, just picked the max charge Woodleigh recommends for the .375 H&H (72gr H4350) and loaded up 3, for 2325 fps.

I suppose I could play around with this load a bit more for accuracy, but considering I'm never going to use it past about 50-75 yards max, I may not bother.


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Just curious but what's the point of the 350 grain bullet? Based on limited experience I have found that penetration with the 300 grain bullets--solids or stiff flat-meplat soft points--seems quite adequate. I'd rather have the extra velocity in case I have to shoot an antelope at a little longer range.

to give the buffalo a harder smack and still get plenty of penetration...

Gatehouse has his NEW KING's sights set on a grizzer bear this spring. One with even bigger paws than his own!

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Originally posted by Indy:
Just curious but what's the point of the 350 grain bullet? Based on limited experience I have found that penetration with the 300 grain bullets--solids or stiff flat-meplat soft points--seems quite adequate. I'd rather have the extra velocity in case I have to shoot an antelope at a little longer range.

An excellent question. Whether you choose to use a 250, 270, 300 or 350 grain bullet will depend on exactly what you want your bullet to do. Shoot flat, have a heavy punch or cover a wide range of uses. IMO the 350 grain bullet in the 375 is a specialty bullet mainly for use on big animals such as elephant, buffalo or hippo. It will provide more thump that lighter bullets and probably of most value when hunting elephant if using a solid. It will also penetrate deeper than a comparable soft point of lighter weight on buffalo. In most cases the 270 or 300 grain bullet is a better all around choice.

465H&H

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Originally posted by Indy:
Just curious but what's the point of the 350 grain bullet? Based on limited experience I have found that penetration with the 300 grain bullets--solids or stiff flat-meplat soft points--seems quite adequate. I'd rather have the extra velocity in case I have to shoot an antelope at a little longer range.

For me, it's mostly just for fun.

The 250gr TTSX shoots nice and flat and will hit hard and do just about anything that needs to be done in Canada. But I did draw a grizzly tag for this spring, so if I have to go into the thick brush looking for a grizzly, the scope might come off and the Woodleighs loaded. This will increase the dramatic appeal as I tell the story of following up a giant grizzly, while drinking beer around the fire.

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Originally posted by JabaliHunter:
to give the buffalo a harder smack and still get plenty of penetration...

Yeah but based on my limited experience (one each buff and elephant with a .375), the 300 grain bullet gives all the penetration you need. The impact energy is the same (about) so the "smack" factor would be the same.

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Originally posted by JabaliHunter:
to give the buffalo a harder smack and still get plenty of penetration...

Yeah but based on my limited experience (one each buff and elephant with a .375), the 300 grain bullet gives all the penetration you need. The impact energy is the same (about) so the "smack" factor would be the same.

Indy,

It is true that the 300 grain bullet has more than enough penetration, in fact in some cases such as buffalo in a herd, too much penetration when using a solid bullet. Typically these 300 grainer's have a muzzle velocity of over 2,500 fps. Anytime solids are in the 375 are driven over the 2,400 fps mark bending can occur due to their long length.

Where the ultra heavy bullets come into their own are in two areas. When using soft point Woodleighs penetration is greatly increased with the 350's over the 300's. Also energy is not a good predictor of penetration or "thump" value. Momentum is a much better indicator. While I haven't used the 375 with 350 grain bullets, I have used the 500 and 550 grain Woodleighs from a Lott on both buff and elephants. I am assuming that what I saw when using them will translate to what would be seen if the 375 was used instead. I can assure you that with the 550 grain bullet you will see much greater penetration and a very noticeable increase in "thump" affect with the heavier bullet.

465H&H

I'm curious as to what barrel length you guys are getting 2400fps I'm thinking 25" + or your pushing pressures higher than you should.