I like it! I don't buy the "true magnum length" part though. Weren't all mausers standard length in 1913? Very Nice!

Acording to Jon Speed's book "Original Oberndorf Sporting Rifles" magnum length actions appeared as early as 1898 for Rigby for the .400/350 rimmed shell. There are many magnum action rifles listed in the serial number section starting in 1898 for the .400/350. The earliest .375 H&H that I see is est. 1912.

The serial number should help us if available.

RCG

Stock's got a lot of not very nice shaping, look at the wood around ejection port and under bolt stop.
It is still an old Mauser with a 1/4 safety on the wrong side. With a new stock and win70 safety it could be a nice one, but to pay 11500,- is out of this world. If money is not a problem, and a H&H is your dream, at least by a nice one.

Now, this is the work of a craftsmaster:


Made in the US of A, second to none.

Would magnum length 98's have a thumb slot in the left wall? I thought they didn't have this as they weren't made for military clips??

Buy 3Xsthe workmanship from stuart satterlee for less money&probably shoots tons better!BEST,kim

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Buy 3Xsthe workmanship from stuart satterlee for less money&probably shoots tons better!BEST,kim

I agree.....but the rifle in question is not a hunter IMO...it's a collector....

For $11,500 one can have a superbly crafted and beautiful bolt gun built on just about any action you choose. If I wanted a hunter and had that kind of hay, I'd be headed for D'Arcy's shop right now. Maybe even Jim Kobe's house....he does magnificient work as well.

Hollands overpriced bolt guns trade on the reputation&"cachet" of their game guns&double rifles.Unfortunately they never bothered to copy any of the real custom riflesmiths,mostly US,who do superb work&would never let something like this out.Holland collectors should collectwhat made H&H famous not what makes them an expensive joke.

Nice rifle, but MT is full of good quality .375s: Herb Sommer, Abesser & Merkel, Merkel, R. Johannsen
.375ville, MT
Hey, that 9,3x64 looks like a decent deal.

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Holland collectors should collectwhat made H&H famous not what makes them an expensive joke.

A gun built in 1913? Isn't that when they were getting famous?


I guess everyone missed the point of this thread. I am not saying I want to buy this rifle or that it is priced high low or otherwise. I just like old Mauser sporting rifles. I found one and thought I would ask if the thing was a true magnum length as advertised or if it is a standard length that has been opened up. I could give a shit less about which side of the pond it was assembled on.

If I had 11,500 to spend on a rifle I would keep saving and get a double.

You did say You liked it!
Out of the measurements that can be taken from the photos, it is a true magnum length mauser. They were also made with the thumb slot in the left wall. I have worked on Rigbys made with actions like that.

So Bent, who made the rifle in your picture? It is beautiful.
Peter.

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So Bent, who made the rifle in your picture? It is beautiful.
Peter.

Sorry to say, I do nt know, but I found the picks here at AR and loaded them down without the details. It is American Made, and I am sure some one here at the forum has recogniced it.

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I have to agree with ALF...this is an investment. You could probably pay less and get a "better" (although the term better is an opinion) custom made rifle...but....if you paid 10K for that custom rifle could you turn around and sell it in a couple of years for more than that? My guess would be you could not, but on the other hand, you could probably sell the H&H for more.
I compare this to a Corvette...I can go buy a brand new one, for about 60k, or I can buy a perfectly restored classic for about 40k. Five years from now the classic will return my investment and then some, while the newer one would take several more years to do that.
Again, just my opinion.

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Originally posted by Peter:
So Bent, who made the rifle in your picture? It is beautiful.
Peter.

That would appear to be one of ForrestB's extraordinary rifles made by Duane Wiebe.

As for the Holland & Holland, ALF's got it right on the money, and I do mean that literally.

hi everyone it appears to be a nice gun and a decent buy at 11k if you go to h&h web sight you will see that they are triple and double that price it is a magnum lenght action
a new magnum lenght action 375 from mauser will go for at least 10k these are the johannsen actions
BTW.yes you can have a custom gun built for half that on a standard action lets say about 5-6 k but if it is not done by a fairly well known gunsmith it will be worth half of what you paid for it the day you pick it up ,paul

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Originally posted by Peter:
So Bent, who made the rifle in your picture? It is beautiful.
Peter.

That would appear to be one of ForrestB's extraordinary rifles made by Duane Wiebe.

As for the Holland & Holland, ALF's got it right on the money, and I do mean that literally.

Ah, thanks, mrlexma!
Duane Viebe....how could I forget that....hardly a "who ever" gunsmith....

Of course Alf is right about the value and money and investment. I am afraid I was to focused on the guns crappy looks, and also did not pick up the magnum length part.

But, topic starter claimed he liked it, and branded it "very nice".

So, I'll settle for that he talked about - a very nice - investment, then.

The stock on the Holland is nicely shaped as you would expect on a good quality British rifle. The weird shaping is in the photo that Bent posted. It looks like the stocker didn't know what to do with the bolt stop. The photo of the Holland shows how it is correctly done.
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"Serious rifles have two barrels, everything else just burns gunpowder."

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Hmmm, pre-war mag mauser 375 Holland mag rifle.

Is it worth that much? Not to me, their are far nicer Holland rifles made in the 1970s, with newer steel for less $$$. It's a nice rifle, but it's half the rifle that one Bent Fossdal put on here. And it looks like it's $2500 rifle, and $7500 name.

I'll pass, but it's kind of out of my league at the moment.

Good job Bent.