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I understand these bullets have a copper clad, steel jacket. Does anyone have any data on how these steel jacketed bullets impact barrel life? I have a Ruger Guide Gun in .375 Ruger. Thanks. BH63 Hunting buff is better than sex! | ||
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I would avoid shooting them in any of my rifles.They must be just like jackets solids.The fouling from jacketed solids is hell to clean out from the bores.Imagine whet stress it causes on the rifing. | |||
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essentially Zero effect on your Ruger, steel jacket with gilding metal rounds have been around for over a century DuggaBoye-O NRA-Life Whittington-Life TSRA-Life DRSS DSC HSC SCI | |||
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I'd be more concerned with performance on a dangerous animal shot with the DGX than what it does to my barrel. Then again, I hear Hornady has attempted to address the problems with this bullet lately. Easier to just shoot Barnes, Northfork, or CEBs and don't worry about it. | |||
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Not quite apples to apples, but testing of barrel life in 5.56 AR15 rifles shows about a 40-50% barrel life penalty using bi-metal (copper/steel) bullets. Luckygunner did the test using identical AR's with mil-spec chrome lined barrels. They shot 10,000 rounds of Federal, Wolf, Brown Bear and Tula. Very interesting reading. Don't let the title fool you, the test factors in the bullet jackets as well as the type of case. https://www.luckygunner.com/la...vs-steel-cased-ammo/ In practical terms for a hunting arm, it doesn't matter. It took 5000 plus rounds to kill the barrels in the test rifles using bi-metal ammo. There are also other factors such as barrel steel, powder used, cartridge design (overbore or not), etc. Jeremy | |||
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The article states the bimetal jackets are a mix of steel and copper. The DHX bullets are copper over steel. Isn’t that different? Can some clear up the facts and conclusions for me? "The liberty enjoyed by the people of these states of worshiping Almighty God agreeably to their conscience, is not only among the choicest of their blessings, but also of their rights." ~George Washington - 1789 | |||
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most "hunting" bullets of steel "FMJ " type are lead core, soft steel jacket covered in "gilding" material of either copper or a copper alloy Bi-Metal "non-hunting" (ie - military) can be constructed as above minus the lead core, but also may be just a steel projectile with thin copper plating rather than a gilding metal jacket or a very thin jacket DuggaBoye-O NRA-Life Whittington-Life TSRA-Life DRSS DSC HSC SCI | |||
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Thanks for the info. BH63 Hunting buff is better than sex! | |||
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Bi-metal jackets are one of two things. They roll bond copper sheet onto steel sheet, then form the bullet jackets. This is called cladding. Or they plate over the steel jacketed bullet after the bullet is formed. Both have a lead, or lead plus something (steel, tungsten) core. The end product is essentially the same. A thin copper shell over a thicker steel bullet jacket. Jeremy | |||
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I shot my only (so Far) cape buffalo with a first generation DGX out of a 500 NE. The only harm was to the buffalo. It only took one shot. | |||
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I used the newest edition of the DGX on an old dugga boy a few weeks ago and had the same results as Lance. They shoot and perform well from my old 458 and no matter what bullets you use, if you shoot enough you eventually will wear out any barrel. Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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Congratulations! 458Win and his .458 WIN win again. We hope to read more about this, somewhere, here or there.  Rip ... | |||
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Any problems in old doubles? I have been shooting a few boxes of 470 for practice White Mountains Arizona | |||
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I have used both the Hornady, "Old" "steel jacket solid"(supposedly a heavier steel jacket) and then the "new" and now the "new again" Hornady solids in vintage doubles with no ill effects. (early on with the original non-banded bronze solids (not Hornady) we did see some barrels injured) DuggaBoye-O NRA-Life Whittington-Life TSRA-Life DRSS DSC HSC SCI | |||
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Old Ugly goes to the Dark Continent. Can’t wait!! "The liberty enjoyed by the people of these states of worshiping Almighty God agreeably to their conscience, is not only among the choicest of their blessings, but also of their rights." ~George Washington - 1789 | |||
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Good stuff thanks White Mountains Arizona | |||
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I would have thought that the gilding metal cover over the steel was to protect the rifle bore. | |||
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those steel bullets have been around forever going back before I was born and that's a long time ago..They work, they don't harm barrels..and its not steel against steel..As to Hornadys Im sure they have done their homework, they have been making great bullets for many years. That interlock has been working forever and at a cheaper cost than the rest..I trust the DGX and the DGS, even though I have not used them, I do get the field reports from my old clients and friends, they like them to the man. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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He brought a rifle too! :-) | |||
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I need to man up and figure out how to post photos here again. After photobucked "accidentally lost" all the photos I had downloaded with them I quit Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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Phil, www.imgur.com is easy. Send me a PM if you want anything posted there by me until you get settled on something. You could copy and paste those image addresses anywhere you want to, after I post them here, hosted at Imgur. As long as Imgur does not go the way of Photobucket, it is A-OK. Rip ... | |||
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I'll second the use of www.imgur.com. I'm the kind of guy who still needs help from his daughter to figure things out on my iPhone. If I can do it anyone can. One thing to remember with Imgur is to resize your pics to "Large thumbnail" before posting. Tom Z NRA Life Member | |||
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I sent RIP some photos that he offered to help post Thanks Ron Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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Phil's photos are high quality images that could be posted about 5 times the size of this "Huge Thumbnail" format from imgur.com. Then we would be scrolling forever to take it all in. If any larger-size posting of the images is desired, I can do that. Phil might elaborate a bit on the safari and at OP, the .458/500-gr DGX he used in his .458 WIN. Congratulations to the Shoemaker Clan on a great expedition, some quality family, time no doubt.         Good Ol' Hornady, bless their hearts, the bonding of the DGX has finally given them a good soft to go with the good solids they make. Over 63 years old and still killing buffalo, both the .458 WIN and Phil Shoemaker. I will get some extra .458 WIN mileage from this, for THE MISSION. Rip ... | |||
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Fantastic pictures and experience! Please Phil don't tease us any longer and tell us about the trip ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ColdBore 1.0 - the ballistics/reloading software solution http://www.patagoniaballistics.com | |||
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Quick synopsis My son took his sister and me to Zimbabwe for Cape buffalo for my 70 and her 35th B-day present. We hunted the Save Conservancy in SE Zimbabwe with Phillip Smythe and as the photos show, had a fantastic time. Phillip is half way in age between my son Taj and Tia and the chemistry was great, the camps and staff Super and the hunting fabulous. I took my Bull late the first evening as we were attempting to work around a herd of buffalo. 60 yard quartering shot, passed through the ribs, top of the heart and bullet eventually turned up in the offside hide. The tracking took 30-40 min, was getting dark, we could hear it breathing Phillip looked around a bush and threw up his VC 500 dbl and fired into the face of the bull and I put a quick second shot into its neck. Seven days later after stalking herds and bulls every morning and evening for a week my daughter Tia got a similar front on quartering shot at about the same distance and setup. Her shot with her Echols 416 Rem and 300 gr TSX was behind the heart and only took out one lung and ended up in the stomach. We bumped it twice close by but had to quit as it was getting dark.we found the bull dead the following morning 150 - 200 yards from where she hit it. Great hunt, great memories. Good bullets Oh, and someone will surely ask about my sling I carry one in my pack with flush mounted studs for Ole Ugly but didn't think I would use it as I prefer to carry my rifle in my hands at all times. But after I took my bull and was designated photographer I needed one so found an old piece of webbing in camp and made one. The game scout who carried the AK and the trackers were "impressed" So was Phillip I think Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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I didn't even put a tape on my bull. Neither did Tia as we didn't need a tape measure to judge the success of our trip. We both wanted old, heavy bossed dugga boys and that's what we got. I think when we were at the skinning she'd they said mine was around 44-45 inches and Tia's was obviously older as shown by the teeth and the heavier bosses and I think was just under 40" Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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Outstanding dagga boys.
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First thing I saw was the improvised jungle fighter sling. Very appropriate companion arm below her. Old Ugly’s still got it. "The liberty enjoyed by the people of these states of worshiping Almighty God agreeably to their conscience, is not only among the choicest of their blessings, but also of their rights." ~George Washington - 1789 | |||
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A question for Phil: Is the white tape on Old Ugly's scope and barrel some sort of night-sight for a quick point and shoot? White tape on the trigger guard too. Does it glow in the dark? I see the usual black vinyl tape ready on the barrel for muzzle protection from snow and "mud daubers."   Rip ... | |||
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It is glow in the dark Duct tape. It helps finding your rifle at night when there are lions and bears about. I took three rolls with me to Africa and last I heard they were going to see if strips of it helped keep elephants out of gardens It is good for locating all sorts of things in the dark. Things you need or don't want to run into. Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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I've got some on my flashlight.It helps me find it in the dark. | |||
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Love the practical tips... Also love the fact Tia’s 416 does as good a job on buffalo as on that nice sheep she shot... | |||
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I am looking for fluorescent white duct tape. This fluorescent white flagging tape is 1" wide and would be nice if it had adhesive. Some double-sided mounting tape with a wrap of flagging tape over that is an idea. 600' x 1" White Fluorescent Plastic Flagging Tape  https://www.fastenal.com/products/details/1007048 The old gauchos used to hunt jaguar in the dim jungle night with 10- and 12-gauge shotguns, and would paint the top ribs white, on single and double-barreled shotguns. Gringos borrowing the technology would put a strip of white tape down the length of the barrel. Adding fluorescence is high tech! Adding "flags" to scope and trigger locations as well as the barrel is even higher night-tech. Thanks for the tips.  www.amazon.com/Glow-Dark-Tape-...ativeASIN=B07NPFV8RT Rip ... | |||
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Phil, One more thing, please. Were you shooting handloads of the Hornady DGX component bullet, or Hornady factory .458 WIN ammo? I forgot if you said anything about that previously. Rip ... | |||
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Congratulations on your family hunt - the best kind. I've used the reflective tape trick on the back end of an arrow shaft in order to be able to find it in the dark after a shot. Just a thin strip so it doesn't unbalance the arrow. This was in the days before those new fanged lighted nicks.  Roger ___________________________ I'm a trophy hunter - until something better comes along. *we band of 45-70ers* | |||
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RIP, I was using factory Hornady ammo. Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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Preparing the worlds most famous 458wm for a trip to Africa. “They need to see my serial number; Where is that serial number...oh yeah, I’ll just take my pocket knife and remove a decade of Rustoleum and wala!!” Phil, your a continuous comfort to me and Old Ugly is indeed the Queen of Stop! "The liberty enjoyed by the people of these states of worshiping Almighty God agreeably to their conscience, is not only among the choicest of their blessings, but also of their rights." ~George Washington - 1789 | |||
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Hornady factory ammo, 500-grain DGX and DGS, was factory tested at 2140 fps from a 24" barrel. Good ammo. Both DGX and DGS shoot as close to the same POI and same MV as any other combo of soft and solid I have ever seen. The handloader of the component bullets can duplicate it easily with many different powders. In the usually encountered .459"-grooved rifle of same barrel length it is closer to 2100 fps. As Finn Aagaard said, a .458/500-grain bullet at 2000 fps will make a bloody big hole through anything. Ditto Fury01. Rip ... | |||
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