For those who have shot both these weight bullets extensivily in the .375 H&H is there a significantly lower level of recoil with the 270 gr bullets in the .375 so as to improve ones shot placement ability ?? Or is the difference of 30 grains of bullet weight not an issue ??

A lot of folks I have talked to say they feel a difference. I do not.

I run my 300s at around 2500fps and the 260/270s at 2700-2750fps.

They all feel pretty much the same to me! My rifle is heavy by current standards; 10.5# field ready. It is a pre-64 M70 in a McMillan Supergrade with a sporting clay style Decelerator.

The thing I like about the 375 is the slow and mild recoil. I can sit at the bench and do 50 or 60 rounds without discomfort or I can go in the field and bust jackrabbits all day long.

My rifle prefers 300s although I have achieved some impressive groups with the 260 Partitions. The Sierra 300 is my favourite all around varmint bomb while I like partitions for game animals.

Ditto Holmes. I can't tell any difference.

Do the numbers with a 10 pound rifle:

300 grain bullet/2550 fps/72 grains of powder
recoil energy = 37 ft-lbs
recoil velocity = 15 fps

270 grain bullet/2750 fps/76 grains of powder
recoil energy = 38 ft-lbs
recoil velocity = 15 fps

Theoretically, with max loads, the 270 grainer develops more energy at both sides of the muzzle.

Thanks folks !!

Holmes or any one else can you please tell me more about your experiences with the 300 gr sierra btsp, expansion, penetration, holding together properties, biggest game shot ???

Regards PC.

I may be recoil sensitive than the others, and my 375 is fairly light, but I can tell the difference.

I've loaded for both the Nosler 300gr and 260gr Partitions and settled on the 300gr at about 2550fps because I decided if I was going to shoot a 375 I might as well use the bullet with the biggest punch.

PC,
300's for penetration.. unless it's the hornady SP,and I think it's a flyapart...

225s feel like a 22 in mine...

you CAN tell between a 300 at 2400 and a 300 at 2550... or I can, but i think that's the minimum resolution of shoulderofjeffe

jeffe

PC can't tell the difference. In fact when I was trying out the 235gn speers at full speed I thought they kicked worse than the 270gn factory failsafes. Does not make sense I know but later I found out a possible reason. When I got a chronograph I found out that the factory failsafes were only doing 2480fps not the 2700 that factory ballistics claim.

I don't know what the 235gn speer load was doing as it was pre chrony days but the accuracy with them was so poor I gave up on them. On the bench any .375 is a thumper IMHO. In the field it sure gets the job done and nobody's talking of felt recoil then.

I am begginning to think that I do not want to stuff around much with the 235 gr speer's. I am leaning towards either the 270 gr woodleigh or the 300 gr woodleigh and possibly the sierra 300 gr spbt.

I am wondering wether the best "all round weight" for the .375 isn't the 270 gr variety of bullets

How will that sierra 300 gr spbt go on big pigs and feral horses ??

Woodleigh's for me are pretty well the same price as using sierra's.

jeffeosso .... absolutely correct about the velocity of the 300gr between 2400fps and 2550fps.
In my rifle the 300gr at 2450fps is a pussycat..at 2400fps I'd be almost willing to shoot it off my chin.....at 2550fps it's for hunting only.

I can't tell a whole lot of difference between the 270's and 300's. I just stocked one of my Whitworths in an Ultralight synthetic stock and man can I tell the difference with a pound less gun weight than my wood stocked one. It is still managable though.

I don't feel mutch of a difference. Its all the same to me

Well if the recoil difference is not there, why would anyone want to shoot the 270 gr bullets over the 300 gr variety. Over the longer haul the 300 gr bullets catch up to the quicker 270's and they have a better SD so would penetrate better.

Shoot in shirt sleeves and you'll feel a difference in the "type" of recoil, if nothing else. I can tell right off whether I just fired a 270 at 2,800 or a 300 @ 2,550, although my .375 rifle is rather light for caliber. The general feeling has always been that the 270's were the better killers of softskinned game, whether due to differences in bullet construction, the extra velocity or, more likely, a combination of the two. I still believe this to be true, even with todays projectiles. When you drive the less than 270 grain bullets fast enough to compete with it's balance of speed and BC numbers, the desired reduction in recoil is negated and the effectiveness on game reduced.

Nickudu,

with the powders in Oz I think 2700 fps will pull up the 270 gr projectile in the .375

AR2208 is a tad to fast and AR2209 is a tad to slow. Mike is correct on this, RE-15 is hard to get and is expensive enough so as not to worry about those extra FPS.

Nickudu so you do not rate the 235 gr variety of projectiles as efficicient killers as the 270 gr variety on say pigs (as this will be my primary game).

I'm with PC on this: Why use the 270's at all? The velocity difference is minor. The weight difference is minor. So why bother? Am I missing something?

Pertinax

I have shot both , the 300 grs KS and now the 260gr Nosler PT,..and i realy can�t tell any difference.
Real smooth

all the best.

Konst

If u like to see how the Nosler PT works on boars,..then take a visit here:

http://www.serveroptions.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=003097

I don't think there's much difference. The extra velocity of the 270 seems to give it a slightly sharper kick.

Slingster,

what game were you shooting with the protected point woodleigh ?? and did you recover any ?? did they expand ??

I intend to hunt smaller than intended game and if the woodleigh will expand on pigs etc. I would like to use them(support the local product and all, esepcially when woodleigh's are similarly priced in Oz)but on the same token I do not want to drill holes straight through stuff either.

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PC,
Certainly they will work but my point is this:
You can't drive the lower weight bullets fast enough to outshoot the 270's by much, if at all. When you try, they kick just as hard and kill less well. Can't think of another way to say it. I've used all the weights and simply prefer the 270 (X).

Nickudu or anyone else,

have you tried the hornady 270 gr sp .375 bullet ?? Would this be a better choice for pigs over the woodleigh ??

I can't tell any difference. Recoil to me is a matter of achieving a threshold. I don't think I can tell the difference between a .270 and a 7mm rem Mag, even with the heavier bullets. The .300's clear through the .375 H&H feel the same, as the .375's normally weigh 9.5-1- lbs. The .375 must be the threshold, though, anything bigger kicks like hell. I must admit, I haven't played with the .416's, that's my next gun, but the .458's are a major step.

PC,
I have used the Hornady 270 Spire Points and found them accurate in my rifles and effective on game. I'm pretty sure they will be good for pigs but that grisel at short range can be a real test, eh?

I just don't want a bullet like the sierra 300 gr HPFN I shoot in my 45/70, they fail pretty well everytime, they still kill hogs but big ones running directly away are not within a bullet like this capabilities.

By the same token I do not want to load up a heap of woodleigh's for pigs in my .375 and be drilling holes through them like military ammo. I will not have the chance to test my choices on pigs until my pig hunting trip in June so that is why I am pestering you guy's about the best .375 bullets for my uses (as you all know I have not had it very long).

PC,

Sounds like you are talking yourself into some 270 grain Barnes X's.

Otherwise for lengthwise exits on the hogs go with the 350 grain Woodleigh if you expect a stalk in bushes or the 270 grain Protected Point for long range.

The PP's are supposed to have a thicker jacket to slow expansion.

Have you called Woodleighs factory and asked what they would recommend? I am sure they would have done some testing before releasing them for sale?

In my model 70 with a plastic stock that has a recoil pad made out of a used tyre, I notice significantly more punch with the 300 grain bullets.

PC---I wouldn't worry about Hornadays at that weight, caliber , and velocity on hogs unless you have absolutely huge pigs. I have alot of faith in Hornaday interlocks at moderate speed and wouldn't hesitate to use those 270 gr spire points on anything up to 800 lbs at about any reasonable angle .

FWIW , I just dug a couple of those very same slugs out of a moist , frozen dirt backstop at 50 yards and 2600+ fps at the muzzle ; a pretty tough medium compared to flesh and they held together nicely and still weighed almost 190 gr .........

Rodger,

I wrote woodleigh and thye reccomended the 300 gr protected point, but I have a feeling that woodleigh's 300 gr protected point would not expand much on a big pig not in relation to Hornady's 270 gr sp at any rate.

I also feel that due to the same bc the Hornady 270 gr and the woodleigh 270 gr might neally shoot to the same POI with such little difference as not to be of any consequence. This is a test I would like to do actually and then after June I would post my findings of these two bullets on pigs for you guy's to examine, I will get some pictures and e-mail them to someone who is computer literate to post here.

500, sounds like you need to shout yourself a Pacymeyer XXX

I can't tell much difference and it wouldn't bother me anyway in a 375 as my recoil tolerance is beyond the 375...the 270 Failsafe should be nice to shoot and kill as well as most 300 gr bullets.. but I still like heavy bullets for bad stuff, so the 300 gr. failsafe should be a dandy....

I really like the 350 gr. Woodleighs and I believe it will put the 375 in the 416 killing class..We will see this summer as I intend to use the 350 gr. 375 or the 450 gr. 416 Woodleighs on Buff and stuff. I will of course back them up with the GS solid FN bullets.

Ray,

how do you go shooting these different types of bullets one after the other I mean wouldn't they not have a different POI ?? I would like to have 270's and 300's shooting to the same POI.

For all-around use, I prefer the slightly flatter shooting 270 gr. load over the 300 gr. load in the .375 H&H. I notice a significant difference in felt recoil between the two weights, and very little difference in penetration or killing power.

Winchester's 270 gr. Fail-Safe breaks just about all of the old rules, and I've shot through a 7'6" grizzly from end to end with this bullet, plus elk and black bear. I know guys who've used it on cape buff' as well with superb results and complete penetration.

For all-around African use that'll include buffalo, I'd personally still use a premium bullet 300 gr. load, but otherwise I'd stick with the 270s for everything.

AD

Thanks Allen,

I have limited experience with the .375 and will not have a chance to test bullets on my quarry (pigs) until I arrive for my hunt (no pigs down the south end of Oz). That is why I am pestering you guy's about different bullets in the .375 as most of you blokes have tested the various bullets your talking about. I doubt wether I need the fail safe for pigs as it may not expand enough on them. The biggest thing that I may get to shoot with my .375 is a feral horse.