Cool! Definitely cool!

So are we going to see a price listed or do we just guess? The question has been asked at least three times and still no answer, what gives?

ib404
seeing its my action i will answer for stuart!
i paid $2800 FOR THE ACTION!....plus i insisted on the bolt and handle being integeral so that was an extra $300 so all up it was $3100.00
i had a few extra things done which stuart did not charge me for but that was between him and me
regards daniel

ib404
i think now you will be paying a bit more for this same action, but in this price you have the following
* integeral bolt and handle
* milled dovetails into the bridges
* worked blackburn trigger
* the magazine box actually built for the cartridge that will be used
* the action comes to you and actually feeds the cartridge correctly
* the action is machined from prehardened 4140, so its STRAIGHT, and not warped
other actions dont even come close to this for that price, take a GMA action , costs you about
$ 1500 to bring it up to scratch
hope this helps

Action: $4000.00
B/A: $5000.00
complete rifle:$9000.00

My actions are fully functioning actions, as they should be. Each action is polished by hand to 400gt. Each action feeds and ejects properly.
All of my actions are are made to single round chamber load, in that you can simply put a round directly into the chamber and close the bolt. These are M-98 in design all the features are there, C-Ring breech, Three lug bolt, integral guide rib bolt, integral bolt handle not welded on. The Dovetail on the second bite of the extractor, the cocking piece is made with the mauser interlock. I make all of my own parts there are no out sourced parts or surplus parts on my actions. There are no short cuts in making a Mauser action. There's a thousand dollars in the gunsmithing, the feeding the function work and the polishing work. High end gun and rifle parts do not come off of a machine polished and tuned, it takes the trained human hand and mind combined with dedication and passion for the work.
TIMAN

Timan,
Impressive work! Could you tell me what kind of CNC Mill do you use to manufacture your actions on? Is it a 3 or 4 axis machine?

I have dreams of using our CNC Hurco VMX 42 to make actions. Your work is inspiring!

Just beautiful.

quote:

Originally posted by M 98:
Sorry guys thats my action, so DONT DROOL to much......its going to be a 375.....
the next two are going to be 06 length actions
...the family is growing!!!and then theres another one 222/223 length M 98 action, that will be the baby!
regards daniel

Very nice M98. You are no doubt buying heirlooms as well as rifles! If you don't mind could you post the finished product pics please! Also the first blood hunt as well!
Thanks in advance

Impressive

Would like to submit afew questions if you dont mind:

1. Can you make them in custom lengths? for eg: can you make a custom intermediate length 3.2 or any other length for that matter?

2.Can you make any length with a largeRing(1.42") (I like the idea of a Kurz length with a LR dia.)

3. how scaled down are the .222/223 recievers?

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seeing its my action i will answer for stuart!
i paid $2800 FOR THE ACTION!....plus i insisted on the bolt and handle being integeral so that was an extra $300 so all up it was $3100.00

From what I've seen here, although a beautiful action, the maker is pricing himself totally out of the market with $4000.00 per action!

In SA I can have TWO complete rifles made for $4000 @ R6.30:$1 or R 25 200.00!

Beautiful.

Jagter,

These are obviously made for (and by) the man with a passion for perfection. Not for a barbarian like me.

But just like the Mona Lisa, I can admire it beyond measure without feeling the need to own it.

Don_G:

Well said, that makes two of us!

quote:

Originally posted by Jagter:

quote:

seeing its my action i will answer for stuart!
i paid $2800 FOR THE ACTION!....plus i insisted on the bolt and handle being integeral so that was an extra $300 so all up it was $3100.00

From what I've seen here, although a beautiful action, the maker is pricing himself totally out of the market with $4000.00 per action!

In SA I can have TWO complete rifles made for $4000 @ R6.30:$1 or R 25 200.00!

You'll have to ask Stuart, but I believe the $4,000 price is for the action with an integral bolt handle.

That's about a $1,000 option... so the same action with dove-tailed and tig-welded handle is only $3,000.

Is that right, Stuart?

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Originally posted by new_guy:
Posting for Stuart Satterlee (Timan).



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I like the top action

Just hung up the phone with Stuart. He is a one-man shop, your action from him will be 100% built by one person.
A welded-on bolt handle, as the earlier post stated, is $3000. Same price for his rigby-sized model. Buy an action of this quality and exclusivity for that price, knowing that you have only to fit a barrel and stock it to go hunting. This guy is a working gunsmith as well as machinist, all his stuff has to work right before it leaves his shop...no comebacks or third party attention needed.

Rich

I admire the work and skill...the pics show the signs of great workmanship and skill....It almost a shame to "blue" them they look that good!

I am no "Mauser" expert...but several that posted on this thread certainly are....to them I say, how does this design(s) hold true? is it better/improvement? certainly looks to be 21st century! what comparisons are there in the market today??

Most guys (including me) go into sticker shock when prices are put out like this...it does not do justice to the work performed, design, or skill shown...more detail/options as to what is provide in the action, barreled action, and finished rifle would provide much needed clarification...so as not to "scare off" potential purchasers...hard to make comparisons without such...

I think the best way to do this is to call Timan or PM him...but possibly he will provide more information here...

i guess i will put my bit in about the cost...$4000.....to start of with the maker is up for about $300-400 for materials/shipping trigger, machine wear and tear power costs etc etc so that leaves him with lets say $3500 to play with.....i dont know what a good machinist charges in the U.S but lets say $40/hr, correct me if im wrong, but that leaves him with 87/hrs to machine the action at $40/hr from solid prehardened bar stock.....i say there is no way an action like this can be machined and finished of in 87 hrs, then ontop of this you have got machine set up time etc etc .....who wants to machine this action for me in 87/hrs
daniel

Ok,
As New Guy and others have said the price is $4,000 Integral Bolt handle $3,000 tig welded. The differance is huge when it comes to making it as well. Just thought I'd get this on so you can hear it from me. Machines? The equipment that I use gets the job done. Some would never attempt this without the latest greatest VMC or HMC. All the same what ever equipment a guy decides to use USE IT or it will never get done. As said above, at the price ponits mentioned above, These actions are fully funtional, feeding is done and the polish is done the bridges will be cut to the customers choice of rings. Good day to all,
Regards
TIMAN

Timan,

Very well done. Great looking action. Good luck and much success with it.

What is your VMC and HMC time on this project?

I am anticipating a June delivery on an Okuma Capitan. Just trying to get a grasp on machine production time. Thanks!

Rusty,
What are you going to make with the new Okuma. What is the foot print of that machine.
Timan

Rusty & Stuart, if you guys could get together on this and get the price down a little more, I think there would be a sizable market.

Agreed. As fair as $4000 may be, some way to cut $1000 would quadruple the prospective market. But then it wouldn't be the same thing, eh?

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Originally posted by tiggertate:
Agreed. As fair as $4000 may be, some way to cut $1000 would quadruple the prospective market. But then it wouldn't be the same thing, eh?

You can buy one for $3K - without the integral bolt handle.

I was suggesting that the price reduction ran through the entire line. But I didn't make it clear enough.

I won't do a partnership because it would wind up being, I do it all, while the partner and his buddies stand around and drink beer and watch it get done, with a bunch of good advise on how when and why to do it. I just don't need it. I work alone, because I like it that way. Every now and then My dad will pass thru the shop doing something. All I have to worry about is the parts and the customer, it's simple. I basically have no need for a partner at this time, I'd just waste bunch of time talking and explaining everything to them, and of course at the end of the day the partner will want his share for doing nothing but learning from me and wasteing my time, see my point yet.
TIMAN

Timan - Sounds like you were in a partnership once before. You forget to mention while your doing all the shop work your partner will be writing all the checks, mainly to himself.
Partnerships can work but both partners have to be special people, almost like brothers.
Any way if your doing all this on manual machines you do some fine work. You might not be making the profit that someone like GMA is doing but it will come for sure.
I quit working for other people 10 years ago and partnered up with a good friend. After 6 months of getting ripped went on my own with a borrowed lathe.
My Mori 3-axis lathe will be paid off this summer and I will be at the IMTS show this fall looking at the new Mori 5-axis lathe.
And I'm just a one man shop.
You for sure have the talent, just don't let the 110 hour work week get the best of you.
If the oil field will stay like it is for a while I might even be calling you for an action myself.
Good luck.

Tinman,
The footprint of the Okuma Capitan L470 is approx. 106X75 inches. That's without the chip conveyor.


I'm going to put the Okuma in here




The Okuma Cadet has served us well for years. It just has a constant backlog of production.
And we need to be able to do larger work. We are turning away business. We don't want to do that!

Our current building is just too crowded, so we are expanding.


Some of our current work in progress.
Gear hobbers cutting internal and external splines.


4 axis Hurco VMX42 cutting flats. From blank to nut in one minute & 10 seconds.



Sorry to hijack the thread. That's what we are doing now. Someday, I'd like to be able to make something like this.

As far as I'm concerned, impressive work.

Nice machines Rusty!

Stu
If you need someone to chew the fat and bring some beer I'm fully qualified for that!

Remember the best thing about cheap beer is quantity has a quality all it's own!

gunmaker

Rusty,

Nice looking shop and the product looks to be top flight.

timan, that is some beautiful work. good going!

quote:

Originally posted by Timan:
I won't do a partnership because it would wind up being, I do it all, while the partner and his buddies stand around and drink beer and watch it get done, with a bunch of good advise on how when and why to do it. I just don't need it. I work alone......... I basically have no need for a partner at this time, I'd just waste bunch of time talking and explaining everything to them, and of course at the end of the day the partner will want his share for doing nothing but learning from me and wasteing my time, see my point yet.
TIMAN

Too right, good businesspartners like good wives, are rare.
Choose the wrong one,and all you have is a silly cow that eats all your grass and gives no milk.

But do keep an open mind, cause just sometimes you can come across a potentially good combination/partnership that can enhance success and make life easier /more enjoyable/more fruitbearing.
Just Trust your better judgement.

Rusty,
Your shop is a fine looking opperation. That spline broach looks interesting. Gotta love the crane in the new building too, good for moveing machines is and out how many ton is that baby good for? Just a s.w.a.g. but i'd be willing to bet those are oil field related parts. Looks like you're doing well. I can appreciate the amount of work and commitment that's gone into your business. congrats on your success.
Timan

The crane is a 5 ton soft touch.
Some of our manufacturing go toward "Down Hole" products, but it isn't our life blood.
In today's market it is a nice addition. The mainstay of our operation is gear cutting. Gears for high speed gas turbines take a lot of our manufacturing focus. We try to keep a broad base and not be tied to a "One Trick Pony". We've all seen the oil business come and go. I've even seen it leave during lunch one day!
It can leave tomorrow and we'll survive!
The only thing I owe money on is the Hurco. Everything else including the new addition is paid for!

I wish you great success on your new venture! It looks like a good product! Congrats once again!

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Originally posted by Timan:
Ok,
As New Guy and others have said the price is $4,000 Integral Bolt handle $3,000 tig welded. The differance is huge when it comes to making it as well. Just thought I'd get this on so you can hear it from me. Machines? The equipment that I use gets the job done. Some would never attempt this without the latest greatest VMC or HMC. All the same what ever equipment a guy decides to use USE IT or it will never get done. As said above, at the price ponits mentioned above, These actions are fully funtional, feeding is done and the polish is done the bridges will be cut to the customers choice of rings. Good day to all,
Regards
TIMAN

What amount of a deposit is required to place an order (welded handle), and what would be the approx. ship date for an action ordered tomorrow?

Glen 71,
50% down with a September delivery.
Timan

that looks great can you make me a little tiny one based on a 1.6 in oal ctg like 5.7 x 28

quote:

Originally posted by M 98:
Sorry guys thats my action, so DONT DROOL to much......its going to be a 375.....
regards daniel

Daniel - any photos of your completed 375 available?

Timan
I me him at the SCI show and looked at some of his work and it was very impressive.

RNS