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Saeed, As our host, I have forgotton to remember to honor our host. I appologize. I will put this person on ignore, as I don't feel discussion is possible, and will attempt to not raise to the bait and bring down the forum in general. To All Can we resume discussion of guns we own and/or want to own, etc? To the member currently member 13140 please place me on IGNORE, within all your various guises. I do not wish any form of communication with you. jeffeosso | ||
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You have it all backwards, Jeffe. YOU aren't the one who should be apologizing for anything. YOU aren't the one who has spent the last year and a half posting insults, flagrant lies, idiot claims, and making wild remarks about a multitude of subjects and events which you know nothing about. It's Scott Sweet who should be apologizing. He's the one who has made an ass of himself under the phony memberships of a dozen or more members in a vain attempt to puff himself up and pretend he knows something. Jeffe and Robgunbuilder and several other members I can think of have been the targets of this fools insults and stupidity. Why does Scott do this? I think the pure and simple answer is he's jealous of the people who actually know and do the things he only has fantasies about. And that's what makes the ASS_CLOWN a pathetic loser. | |||
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Yes he Pecos he should and so should you. I have not attacked anyone. Both of you children have been relentless in your personal attacks on me. Of course I do not expect YOU to understand any of this, I sincerely believe it is beyond your capability to do so. Actually Pecos, they don't like me because time and again I have pointed out their false statements! Sorry if the truth hurts but you and your buddies aren't the "experts" you seem to think you all are. ASS_CLOWN | |||
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ASS_CLOWN - Save your bullshit for someone who doesn't know you. | |||
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Pecos, I am in the interesting situation that there ar 10 folks how have "done that" and have expereince, and one person that feels that their experiences outweigh those people, even though that person has approx 10% of the least of those individuals experience, never mind the collective expereince. I am of the background that when a person is exposed as a liar and a fruad, they are exposed until own up to that, and change their ways. This was taught as moral behavor, when you are found to be incorrect, one changes their behavor. Today's society, in the US, has raised a generation that thinks "time out" is punishment, and that there is no repercusions for lying.. there's no moral stigma on it. Those of us with good ole fashioned morals, a code of ethics handed down by our fathers, and who have been taught what approriate social behavors can be, have learned that this new generation of children have not been taught what appropriat behavor IS. You and I, and most others, obviously have been raised to respect truth, integrity, and honesty, and to require those interacting with us to behave in the same manner. jeffe | |||
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I hear what you are saying, Jeffe. And I would add that the new attitude among all too many in America is, "When discovered wrong, blame someone else!" We see Mr Scott, aka ASS CLOWN beautifully exhibiting this behavior at this moment. He is proven wrong and a fool so often on AR that his list of phony membership names must fill an 8 1/2 x 11 sheet of paper as he tries to hide from the obvious truth that he is a fraud and a fool. Now he comes here and says HE isn't wrong...it's everyone else who is the fraud. Amazing...the ignorance...the lack of character. ---------------------------------- "I'll tell you boys...this Scott fellow is one SICK puppy!" . Quote: | |||
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jeffeosso, Spare me the self righteous crap. If your parents had beaten you properly when you were a child you wouldn't be the insecure, smart-mouthed, disrespectful, cry-baby, punk you are today. Name one TECHNICAL comment of mine you have determined to be incorrect! You cannot because you do not have the knowledge, or the experience to. The truth is you are an opinionated, insecure, jerk. You post opinion pure and simple. Your load data is typically gleaned only from QuickLoad simulations, as you are frequently off the mark by 150+ fps. You know next to nothing about thermodynamics, strength of materials, or machine design. All core compentencies for a firearms designer! Firearms are not subjects of opinion, at least not to me. To me, firearms are mechanisms which follow the LAWS of physics. When I tell you your opinion is pointless, wrong, or right, I base my statement off of applications (correctly applied) the LAWS of physics. It is ABSOLUTELY nothing personal. You will also note that I DO NOT take other individual's posts out of context to attempt to belittle, berate, or mock them. This is a behaviour exhibited by you in a consistent manner. Bullies like you are a sad result of the pussy society we live in. Your only issue with me is that I do not cower at your pathetically ignorant posts. Now I suggest you do as YOU said you were going to and ignore me, and further stop posting about me. In short, grow the hell up. ASS_CLOWN | |||
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Quote: I posted this: "The standard long action (30-06, 300 Win Mag, etc) Model 70 is the same action that houses the 375 length cartridges but the loading/ejection port has been opened" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here was the Clown's reply: Not in the M70 Classics I have seen! ASS_CLOWN Here is a start. Chuck | |||
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>>I am in the interesting situation that there ar 10 folks how have "done that" and have expereince, and one person that feels that their experiences outweigh those people, even though that person has approx 10% of the least of those individuals experience, never mind the collective expereince.<<~Jeffeoso Gotdamn. What in the hell does that say/mean? | |||
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Here's a 2nd incorrect, stupid statement bubbling out of his mouth. Quote: I know I should never try to match my life of experience against a Troll who owns a 50 Beowulf and a loading program, Scott, but it looks to me like you're saying every firearm is the same. Afterall these "laws" which only you seem capable of CORRECTLY APPLYING aren't a sliding scale. They are written in stone somewhere besides in your imagination, I trust? Reality is that no two guns are the same, shoot the same, behave the same, produce the same results or much of anything else the same. If you had ever owned and loaded for anything besides your piece of shit Beowulf, you'd know that. Face it, Scott. You're a moron. And please don't bother to launch into one of your bullshit rants with your silly little formulas and other crap you try to cover your ignorance and lack of experience with. I'm not interested in what you think and from what I can tell, no one else is either. Go sit down with your ignorant wife ~judy (Diana) and tell her how great you are. I don't think anyone here is gonna buy it. | |||
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Jeff, He is a patheic asshole. He is not even worth pissing on if he were on fire. The only thing he can do is make noise; it's up to us to ignore him and all his personae. George | |||
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jeffeosso Quote: It is you who are wrong and full of shit! As I said, IN PUBLIC (not hiding out in PM) you are an opinionated, unknowledgeable bully. Go educated yourself in the topics discussed or simply do not argue what you clearly DO NOT understand. Chemical energy NOT YET RELEASED IS POTENTIAL ENERGY YOU MORON! Or are you stating that the "First Law of Thermodynamics" is wrong because, well just because? Energy jeffeosso takes many many forms, and can be lump into two groups "potential energy" (any energy which does exist in a system but is not yet released) and kinetic energy (energy which is actively acting upon a system). To me jeffeosso, the coward is the guy that runs his mouth off telling people how very talented and smart he is, and when called out and told he isn't one the other or both he goes off on name calling libel spewing rants, JUST LIKE YOU! The facts are you cannot prove any of you accusations, since they are without merit and are false! I post under this ridiculous handle to mock you and Rob, and many of your "friends". You and most of you "friends" seem to thrive on recognition, which indicates to me that you are sorely lacking it in your real (not cyber) life. You and most of your "friends" hang out on the "Big Bore" forum and spew some truth, much half-truth, and considerable bogus crap, because: 1.) Many posters read this stuff, but have NO first hand knowledge so your risk of you or most of your friends getting caught in your lies is greatly minimized. 2.) Due to the significant traffic at "Big Bores" you and most of your freinds get the recognition you all so desperately need! 3.) You seldom if ever speak about common big bore, again the risk of getting caught is too high, sticking instead to obscure chamberings (376 Steyr, 500 Jeffery, 500 A Aquare, 505 Gibbs, 470 Mbogo, 585 Nyati, 600 OK, this list goes on). Countless times someone has requested load information (frenquently for one of these obscure cartridges), and all you and most your so-called expert "friends" can come back with is some QuickLoad simulation data. This is VERY telling of your actual experience. 4.) I have been here for about 5 years! I remember when many of your so-called expert "friends" didn't know a barrel recoil lug from a buttstock. So their "years" of experience speeches are a total waste on me. I remember when you showed up, spouting off all your experience, do you remember? I find it so very interesting that you and one of you buddies have managed a dramatic 180 degree turnaround with regard to Butch Searcy's rifles since those days (you both praise the heck out of them now, not the case back then, and actually quite the opposite). As to what kind of man you are, remember you libeled me first big boy, I believe I summed it up well in my previous post. If you really don't want to communicate with me, THEN DON'T Is that really so hard to comprehend? ASS_CLOWN | |||
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I strongly recommend you actually go to a firearms store and look at these rifles in person and quit going off what some bozo on the "net" said. I realize it may be difficult to get tuned back into reality, but it will be well worth it. The magazine box is the only thing that USRAC shortened, and it is shortened up in the back(ejector excluded). ASS_CLOWN | |||
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George, You are welcome to your opinions, but I assure you, while I am most definitely an asshole, I am far from pathetic. I though Mike375 and Karl had taught your opinionated, control freak arse that ignoring is the thing to do, name calling isn't! Grow-up. ASS_CLOWN | |||
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ASS CLOWN: Quote: Yup, you're an asshole alright. As far as pathetic goes, you define the word. | |||
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jeffeosso, There is NO need to keep a copy, I DO NOT EDIT OTHER'S POST that is your "method of operation" NOT mine. Quote: jeffeosso, it is very obvious you are reading my posts, so please stop with the false pretenses. The cartridges you named are all "real" popular ranking right up there with the 30-06, 308, 223, and the old 9mm Parabellum! Not too many people shoot any of those, I hope you realize that. You also are operating under significant false pretenses with regard to my experience. It is absolutely none of you business what guns I own. You wouldn't believe me if I told you anyway (and there is significant data to support my last statement here at AR, as when I posted a picture of a rifle with notes, names, etc, you stated I was lying). I thought I made it clear before, you said you do not want to communicate with me, and I prefer that too, so why are you continuing to communicate with me (albeit privately)? Cease and desist, and I promise I will not argue with you any longer. The alternative is for these childish posts to continue <description> I post something factual, and you call me a pathological lying sack of the proverbial bull dung. By the way, you attacked me, I DID NOT attack you ! The fact that I made a reply to any post IS NOT a personal attack on you, outside of violating you control freak nature (since you have ordered me to stop posting). Now please leave me alone, unless you want to converse in a mature and intelligent manner. This childish behaviour is truly wasted time and energy, and an abomination of what this forum is meant to be. ASS_CLOWN | |||
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Quote: I could not have said it better, Craig. Scott Sweet's abilities at self-delusion are amazing to watch. Probably his only real skill. Pathetic, thy name is ASS_CLOWN. | |||
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I will bet you any rifle I am right. I have checked it out, I suggest you do the same. In fact, if I were at home I'd give you the exact, differing, dimensions of the port, but I am not. Chuck | |||
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Chuck, that wouldn't be a fair bet for you. The only rifle the Clown has to bet with is a trashed 50 Beowulf. And who wants a POS like that? Has the trajectory of a pitched cantalope. (Dangerous within 20 feet.) | |||
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Pecos, I seriously doubt the pathetic asshole owns anything in the way of firearms. | |||
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Chuck, Then USRAC is doing some strange shit, as I HAVE checked it out. Convenient you aren't home, might I suggest when you get home that you provide the measurements, then I will provide you the measurements from my rifles. I am willing to go to the local gunshop and take pictures of the rifles side by side too. By the way, we are discussing LARGE ejection ports difference, aren't we? There are machining tolerances, so I would expect ejection port length variations of 0.015" to 0.03" as normal. I am speaking only of the current production M70 Classic, also. The magazine is shortened up by about 0.260". ASS_CLOWN | |||
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Pecos, Please don't call me Scott Sweet, I am ASS_CLOWN. You are embarassing me! By the way, Pecos old boy, what is YOUR name? ASS_CLOWN | |||
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Quote: If you were capable of being embarrassed, you wouldn't be here. It takes a bit of CHARACTER to be embarrassed...and you are devoid of that, Scott the ASS_CLOWN. | |||
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Forget the measurements (it will save you packing your callipers around). Go to the local gunshop and pick up a 375, 300wby or whatever. Notice how the extractor is not contained within the rear bridge. Now look at a 7mm or 06 and you will see that the tail of the extractor is indeed contained within the rear bridge when the bolt is in battery. Reason: The rear bridge on the 375 has been milled to open the loading/ejection port. Chuck | |||
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Chuck, you don't even have to go home.. I'll post a couple links. remember, the classic actions are in short an long (i don't know if the wssm is a shorter still action, as i just don't care about those round)\s) If one reviews the winchester website, and looks at models of guns offered in short and long versions, and ONLY compares those with the same barrel length, one will find that the /06 based rounds (25/06, 270, 30/06) and the "old" short magnums (not wsm) are all the same length, over all. WOW, get this.. the WSM and shorter stuff are all the same length, on the same gun/barrel, and guess what? the 30-06 over all is EXACTLY the same as the 375 http://www.winchester-guns.com/prodinfo/catalog/detail.asp?cat_id=535&type_id=025&cat=001C http://www.winchester-guns.com/prodinfo/catalog/detail.asp?cat_id=535&type_id=024&cat=001C http://www.winchester-guns.com/prodinfo/catalog/detail.asp?cat_id=535&type_id=025&cat=001C One just can't argue with the maker, now can one? Chuck, I wouldn't hold my breathe waiting for an admitance of error... LMAO jeffe | |||
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Chuck is correct, that is the reason for a regular rear scope mount and the "express" mount. The hole spacing is closer on the express because the rear bridge is smaller. Because the ejection port is larger. The action is the same size. Ass-Clown is also correct in that the mag box is blocked shorter and the bolt stop and ejector are different in action meant for the standard length rounds. There, can't we all just get along? | |||
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ASS CLOWN says: Quote: Please do Turdboy, I can't wait to see more of "your" pictures. While you're at it why don't you take some pictures of "your" firearms and share them with us? | |||
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Quote: Jeffe, I have never seen you make a more foolish remark. The ASS_CLOWN, i.e. Scott Sweet, will argue with anyone. Why? Because he's a moron and secondly because he has all these wonderful formulas whirling around in his head. The boy's brain is mush. His mother was obviously impregnated with leakage from someone's colostomy bag. | |||
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Works for me George. It really isn't worth arguing about anyway. ASS_CLOWN | |||
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Quote: Quote: I must have gotten thrown off the horse in one of the turns. I thought we were talking about action lengths and ejection ports myself. Sure the action is blocked to different lengths for different cartridges. ASS_CLOWN was grabbing at straws in a desperate attempt to keep from looking like total fool as usual. But let's give him credit where due. We ALL were talking about Winchester actions. No one can deny that. By the way, if my memory hasn't totally failed me, I believe there are even two or three different hole spacings for the express mounts. Last one I bought mounts for was a 375 and I seem to remember something about the year of mfg. Don't bother to look it up in some catalog to impress me, ASS_CLOWN. I don't have that .375 and if I gave a shit, I would look it up for myself. I'm not going to get old enough to take your word for anything. Anything I want to know about guns, I'll ask someone who knows what he's talking about, like Jeffe or Robgun or one of the other guys you are so jealous of. Know what I mean, Scott? | |||
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Gentlemen & Ladies, Pecos, senor el jeffe, craigster, et al, I joined the forums today. The first order of business was putting Mr Clown/mudlark/turd burglar on ignore. I suggest everyone do the same. There are a few personality disorders and run of the mill neuroses also where the patient craves any attention at all. Some even prefer negative attention. Pointing out their inadequacies is an exercise in futility. They actually find it gratifying. I come to this forum to learn about big bore rifles and loads. I really don't want to have to wade through arguments about fence pole construction (half my family lives in Texas - I see a lot of native wood [cedar, oak, whatever is abundant] and metal there, I live in Idaho - here we use metal and treated lodgepole pine mainly). So, I propose the following plan of action: 1. Everyone else puts Mr. Clown on ignore. 2. When he changes his callsign we figure that out and repeat step 1. 3. We learn from each other about guns, hunting, and reloading. 4. Have fun doing 3. Charlie PS Two words: spell check. | |||
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Welcome, JCN. Quote: Lord knows everyone on AR has experienced just exactly what you describe! We will look forward to your posts. P-45 | |||
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Chuck, Accept my humble apology! I was going from memory, but after looking the pictures over on the USRAC website you are right! I must be getting old and senile. Again, I am sorry for doubting you. That is what I get for trusting my memory. ASS_CLOWN | |||
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John Charlie, Welcome aboard, glad to see that you're aware of what sometimes goes on around here. Spent '67 and '68 in Moscow at Univ of Idaho. Had a good time, never got any farther south than Riggins. | |||
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Thanks Pecos, New Mexico is a gorgeous state also. Not too many places that have Oryx in the desert and Elk as fat as Teddy Kennedy in the mountains. JCN | |||
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Hey Craigster, Thanks for the kind welcome. Don't worry, the re-occupation of California by the USA is on the to do list right after Iran, but before North Korea. Moscow, ID is still surrounded by wheat fields, Pheasant, Quail, and wild Turkeys. The domestic liberal turkeys are still holed up in the university. The wolves ate most of the Elk, so some people are getting in a little varmint reduction work with their 300 Win Mags (that's the rumor anyway ). JCN | |||
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JCN, Welcome to the forums! I spent about 3 years up in Coeur d'Alene and shoulda stayed. Other than 1 trip to Boise for the state veterinary board exam I never could seem to get past Riggins--something about that white water that wouldn't let me go by without some rafting! Hope you like it here! | |||
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Hey Andy, Thanks for the welcome. Yeah, the demarcation between north and south Idaho seems to be Riggins. I've got a 16' cataraft, some canoes, and some kayaks cluttering up the yard. A friend who used to be a river guide in Riggins and I are going to float the main Salmon in September when the water is low and clear. We're going to rent some extra scuba tanks and dive a few of the big holes. Then we'll send the kids up the cliffs to shoot Chukar for dinner . The girls in Pullman and Moscow are still cute, but the shaving of armpit hair is not yet widely practiced. JCN | |||
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