I see brass on midway 400 hoffman, anybody know dimentions?

My recollection is that the Hoffman is a tad longer, straighter walls , larger at the shoulder as compared to the "standardized" Remington 416 version.

Have a the dimensions at home ,will look for them.

The always amazing Municion.org doesn't show anything, just the 416 Hoffman.

416 Hoffman

I guess the 400 version is an "improved" design type of the 400 H&H, where the H&H, with it's long neck, looks nice for cast boolits.

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Originally posted by Clan_Colla:
My recollection is that the Hoffman is a tad longer, straighter walls , larger at the shoulder as compared to the "standardized" Remington 416 version.

Have a the dimensions at home ,will look for them.

Edit:
416 Hoffman is what I have at home- (George Hoffman)

Checking some references at the office-
Looks like Frank Hoffman of Ohio may have done a 400 Whelen variant
(411) on the '06 case

Do not know if I have those specs at home- will check

quote:

Originally posted by Clan_Colla:

quote:

Originally posted by Clan_Colla:
My recollection is that the Hoffman is a tad longer, straighter walls , larger at the shoulder as compared to the "standardized" Remington 416 version.

Have a the dimensions at home ,will look for them.

Edit:
416 Hoffman is what I have at home- (George Hoffman)

Checking some references at the office-
Looks like Frank Hoffman of Ohio may have done a 400 Whelen variant
(411) on the '06 case

Do not know if I have those specs at home- will check

That makes more sense, if the midway pic can be trusted, it doesn't have a belt. Hats off to you, sir.

quote:

Originally posted by Clan_Colla:

quote:

Originally posted by Clan_Colla:
My recollection is that the Hoffman is a tad longer, straighter walls , larger at the shoulder as compared to the "standardized" Remington 416 version.

Have a the dimensions at home ,will look for them.

Edit:
416 Hoffman is what I have at home- (George Hoffman)

Checking some references at the office-
Looks like Frank Hoffman of Ohio may have done a 400 Whelen variant
(411) on the '06 case

Do not know if I have those specs at home- will check

That's what I was wondering, 06/411 factory case. No need for all the work forming cases, but the shoulder looks big to me and maybe rebated rim? Hard to tell much from the photo on midway.

George Hoffman, a African PH for many years, a real gun nut, and a wonderful friend of mine, wanted a 416 and invented the 416 Hoffman, not the 400...He needed, at the time, a practical elephant slayer..The 416 Hoffman is basically the .416 Rem in that you can shoot The Rem round in the Hoffman or visa versa but not the other way around.

Remington was quite interested in his gun and had many meeting with him and allowed it would be financially beneficial to him, In the end Remington just necked up the belted round and told George tuff cookies...I have little use for the Remington bean counters, Same bunch that have a cornucopia of law suits pending from accidental deaths over a reportedly unsafe trigger. Most being settled out of court, and if that's so, then where there is smoke there is fire..

Anyhow that is the history more or less of the .416 Hoffman..

Reviewed books and complied information at the house-
400 Hoffman referenced in a couple if places ,
no exact dimensions found.

One reference mentioned a 20 degree .458" shoulder instead of 17 degree .454 on the Whelen,

Apparently Frank Hoffman and James Howe ( who joined him in 1923 after leaving G&H)
Built some of Col Whelen's early 400s (as did G&H.)

However, no drawings found in my books/papers-
( Howell,Barnes, Donnelly,Petrov,Ackley, etc)

Qual Cart should be able to give you specs/ CH4D , RCBS etc may also be able to as well

Thanks, e-mailed Qual Cart today. will report

400 hoffman parent case is 10.75x68 mauser according to Qual cart. Was hoping for an already neck sized 400x 9.3/ 30-06 case, but not to be.

I'd like to see 376 Steyr necked up to .410".

why the 10.75 case for a 40 caliber? The 10.75 is the x68 case necked up to .423 (404 Jefferys) and will duplicate the ballistics of the early 404 Jefferys..the 10.75x68 is a fine 40 caliber just as it is, today brass is available and bullets always have been..I shot 350 and 400 gr. bullets in mine. A 400 Woodleigh at 2150 FPS was my favorite load followed by a 350 gr. at 2350 FPS..A unrecognized hero, was put on the back shelf years ago for lack of good bullets..Recoil is mild, it holds an extra round or two, and its a fine Elephant, Lion, or buffalo caliber. I sold my best 10.75 x 68 (Lubbock Texas) HOffMAN ARMS RIFLE to LB-404 (who posts here) a couple of years ago and it was a beauty, That rascal has conned me out of some fine rifles..

The 10.75x68 has a unique case. I kind of want one.

It would be pretty easy to build one on a std Mauser or Win. action, I doubt that you would need to do much feed work on it from a 30-06?? I built one on a mauser about 10 years ago and it worked out fine..Sure like the caliber. I know a gun in Northern Idaho if I can just remember his name, He has a decent original Mauser for sale for about $700. I sold him the gun about 8 or 9 years ago I guess..Send me your email and I'll try and find his phone number.