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Going prairie dog hunting in South Dakota... shooting from Cheyenne? Big Grin A .378 Wea with that bullet, whew.
I do want some for my H&H.


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Posts: 3865 | Location: Cheyenne, WYOMING, USA | Registered: 13 June 2000Reply With Quote
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When the bullets are here, we'll have to get together and shoot both rifles. Look Out Prairie Dogs!
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The initial Wound between the small 6,5 mm Bullets and the 9,3 mm Destroyer were on a relative Scale 1: 4.5. No Do You expect from a Bullet with 4,5-times larger “Destruction power†the Animals to run 90% less? The Answer is, no, that does not happen. In Reality no Correlation could be found. In both cases about 20 - 30 Animal of various Size were studied.


Sounds complicated or I am confused.

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Hallo Warrior,

in those Years, I was out in Africa with different Bullets that wounded differently. One wounded 4.5 times more than the other. The Effect on life Game did not differ that much. Shot Animals ran or fell on the Spot more or less the same with both Bullets. Then I learend, not to concentrate on the Bullet, but on the Target. A good Hit is always better then a good Bullet (provided, it has enough Pentration to actually destroy the vital Organ, You aimd for).

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(provided, it has enough Pentration to actually destroy the vital Organ, You aimd for)


We can shoot most anything with well placed shots, but there are always PROVISOS when small calibers and light bullets are involved. Headshots can be taken with a .223 Rem on any antelope, likewise Eland can be taken with a .243" mono-metal bullet from the side-on, but not with a thin-jacketed frangible soft that would shatter at high velocity. But is that the ideal/preferred/safe way to do it?

I believe it is prudent to have a margin of safety, and even more so when we go after dangerous game. As game gets bigger and tougher, it is better to step up on bore size. Bullet mass also generally go up as we go to a bigger bore rifle. This is all in the judgment of the hunter and how we measure. Shooting small soft game with a .243 Win vs a 9,3x62 might not give you profound differences in drop time, but when other variables kick in, you will be better off with the bigger bore - angled shots that need to go further, shooting though grass-filled guts or breaking heavy bone in order to reach the vitals, etc.

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Warriour,

to allow Room for Error surely is prudent. We both fully agree on that! Contemplating on the mentioned grass filled Belly, I throw in a Picture or two:



Wet frozen Wood, shot from the right untill the Place where the Stick points out, about half Meter.



Recovered 7,62 mm black hat KJG



.30-06 Case with recovered KJG rest



old an new



old an new



.30-06 new

I show these Pictures to say my Copper bullets penetrate fibre filled Targets just as anything else in a wonderful straight Line, just as aimed. I like my 9,3x64 and would not give it away for a .243" Win., especcially after we measured the new Black Hat Bullet out of the Oldy with 1.100 m/s Muzzle velocity (3600 fps, if You wish)! Which .243 can offer that! None to go for Buffalo!

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Posts: 95 | Location: Europe | Registered: 21 May 2004Reply With Quote
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Hi Guys

Made up a wet pack to test the 375 KJG against the .308 150 gn Hornady Interbond
The pics are attatched
Retained Weight in Gns was
KJG 109
KJG 111
Interbond 137.9

You can see the 308 stuck in the last 2cm of wet magazine



Cavity 1" in to wet pack
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Both 375 passed through the 1/2" firbeboard backing.


I an stll getting some pressure signs with sticking cases and flattened primers using 73.3 gn RL10x
The cases have been fired a few times what should I do? Reduce the powder charge, use new cases, or neck size the cases only??

Mark


Hunting is getting as close as you can, shooting is getting as far away as possible.
 
Posts: 537 | Location: Worcestershire, England | Registered: 22 March 2005Reply With Quote
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Hallo Mark,
thanks for the Pictures. for Completeness and better Understanding I miss some Explanation, what those Pictures are. You obviously shot some wet Catalogues, but are those Pictures on Catalog in Order, like #3 is the forth Book, #4 the fifth and on, or what? Also I miss the Speed for the Bullets.

Regarding sticking Cases, Your Primer photograph indicates no Overpressure. If Your Chamber is much wider than the fully recalibrated (shrunk) Cases are, they will most likely stick. You may resort to neck sizing only. You may polish the Chamber and Cases. Chrome Polish for Cars helps really good. Or You may dry lubricate the Cases with Graphite or MoS2 and Grain of Wax.

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Hello,
I would strongly advise against any sort of wax, grease, lubricant, etc. on the case or in the chamber while firing the weapon. This could result in serious problems. Upon firing the round in the chamber and rapid expansion of the brass to "fill" the chamber, presence of lubricant will adversely impact on the brass wall gripping the wall of the chamber. Not good!! Have seen some use liquid lubricant on brass and in chamber and have you tried to compress a liquid lately?? Perhaps others would care to elaborate on the matter.
 
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The velocity was 1010 m/s and the magazines were opened up in order and terminate with the bullets passing through the 1 cm fibreboard ( just to stop them burying in the sand too deep). The maximum cavity was very obvious about 2-8cm into the wet pack and about half way through had returned to just over calibre size.

I'll neck size the final test batch and see.


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Posts: 537 | Location: Worcestershire, England | Registered: 22 March 2005Reply With Quote
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Hallo Driver,




MoS2 coated .338" LM Case with Sport bullet. The powder “Grease†helps to extract fired Cases well above 500 MPa chamber pressure easily! The .338" Lapua cases handle such Pressure well, even for repetetive Use.



The Coating was the same frequently used in the Industry to reduce Bullet friction in the Barrel, hence Barrel warming and mirage above the Barrel. My Drive band Bullets need no Coating, as they are otherwise built for low friction design anyway. But the dry Lube moderates Case sticking. The mentioned Wax quantities are very small. I tried to indicate that, when I meant "One Grain" only. The Wax content is less than 1% and the Layer is so thin, You notice no Weight differences on a Scale. The small tough MoS2 Flats adhere to the Surface and glide well against each other. For the tiny amount used, they dry lubricate, without Your mentioned Liquid displacement problems.

Try it Your self! You shall please yourself!

Lutz
 
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Mark,



Picture: 4 8x68S Cases with rising Pressure from left to right.

Bevor You see such flat Primers and Case marks, first forged into the Extrator cavity and then sheared off, you are nowhere near any high Pressure. So the Sticking has another Cause.

Lutz
 
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Originally posted by Thomas Jones:
Sorry guys but this is all a prety silly argument. Bullet performance is likly to be more consistant in the lab than the field simply beacuse there are factors in the field you cant control.
There are no perfect bullets.
For north america I think the barnes tripple shocks are great game bullets.
But there are so many uncontolable things involved in terminal performance.
One of my hunting buddies for whom I load shoots a 300 win mag. He loves the 180 grain nosler balistic tip, for deer and elk. When the acubond came out, I recomended he use the b-tip for deer and the acubond foe elk.
he said no thanks.
he has killed I think 4 elk, all bulls , with the balistic tip and none went more than 10 feet.
I would choose somthing else but that does not make him rong. He says bring me the ones with the green tip !


The only thing wrong with the Balistic Tip is they rune the hide if you want to keep it. Thats why I don't use them.
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Hi,

Mark just sent Pictures from a Fallow Deer with the super fast .375"H&H

Lutz
 
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