I see where you went back over my posts in an attempt to trip me up....fine, that sword cuts in both directions..........

Why do you advocate the 458 Lott, 470 Capstick and 585 Nyati, all which were in the recent past wildcats. Now Hornady legitimizes a round by making a factory round and all of a sudden its worthless ? I don't follow your reasoning...................JJ

That's because the 375R is seen by some people as a caliber which was introduced just to make a quick buck.Whereas the other calibers were introduced by people who shared a passion for the sport of hunting.(Speaking for myself)

JJ, I have no need to go over your posts because I can readily recall what I have read.

Also, please do not put words in my mouth. I never said the 375 Ruger was worthless. I said it duplicates 375 H&H ballistics out of a standard Ruger action.

But I object to untrue statements about it, such as that it develops 250 fps greater velocity at the same pressure as the H&H. The laws of physics render this impossible with the Ruger only having 3.5 grains greater case capacity.

I also think it is a fool's errand to build a high dollar custom gun chambered in 375 Ruger. Eventually everything we own gets sold, and the Ruger will bring little resale compared to a classic chambering. And most high end custom builders do not like oddball cartridges as they do not reflect well on the builder. Further, as one custom builder pointed out here, the economics don't make sense without at least 30 rifles being built in that caliber.

So I see little need for or advantage in the Ruger. It's just a 375 H&H with a bunch of logistics problems.

As for your assertion that you went through my old posts to see what wildcats I have, we both know that is not true. You were fed that information by a certain person on my ignore list. Shame on you for posting untruthfully.

There's your problem Dan, you are posting that everything anybody says about you that is not 100% complimentary is part of a vast campaign being orchestrated against you by a certain "someone".
You aren't THAT!! important here to merit that.
Paranoia ill becomes a man of your education and experience. Please stop killing yourself with the delusion of persecution. Take things at face value, and move forward. Light a good Partagas or Ashton...guy like you, maybe a Fuentes Opus-Opus X, knock back some good single malt scotch or tequila, and mellow out!

regards,

Rich
DRSS

I just "knocked back" some and agree with him.

shootaway,

depends...were you "knocking back" some Screech?
You guys are almost "Newf's" y'know!

Rich
DRSS

Screech,what's that? I had some Nuit De La Saint-Jean, Beaujolais.It will calm my nerves so I can shoot straight tommorow.

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Why do you advocate the 458 Lott, 470 Capstick and 585 Nyati, all which were in the recent past wildcats. Now Hornady legitimizes a round by making a factory round and all of a sudden its worthless ? I don't follow your reasoning...................JJ

The 458 Lott fot the 458 Win up to where it should have been while still allowing 458 Win ammo to be used.

The 470 Capstick maxes out what can got from the 375 H&H case

The 585 Nyati maxed out the power you can get from a normal size sporting action.

The simple fact that you appear to be unable to grasp is that the 375 Ruger has not been knocked but that rather then 375 H&H will remain the king for the expensive high end guns. In addition, it does off any ballistic advantage of note to put up with lack of brass and lack of rifles.

Mike

How in the hell do I know who is on your ignore list ?????

Ruger not worthless ? Well you are coming around !! Soon I'll have you singing its praises........................JJ

Superspeed, I have stated the 375HH is a classic, I realize its value, always have. You on the other hand have had not one good thing to say about the 375R.

And to continue your post defending the 458 Lott, 470 Capstick and 585.................how about this...............

The 375 Ruger reduces waisted length and brass improving the 375 cartridge by allowing one to build a rifle without having to suffer the cost of a magnum length action.

There, see...........it fits right in...................JJ

JJ

If you had read earlier postings I made you would see that I thought the 375 Ruger was a good thing and it would bite into the 338 Win market.

The 375 Ruger reduces waisted length and brass by improving the 375 cartridge by allowing one to build a rifle without having to suffer the cost of a magnum length action.

As I said, it is an alternative to the 338 and you appear to agree.

Mike

No Superspeed, its bites the 375HH in the ass. I want to see you push a 300 gn bullet to 2650 in a 338................................JJ

But since you bring it up, I have seen a 338 firing solids do a splendid job on cape buff. I would be happy to take my Ruger Magnum 338 on any hunt. ...................JJ

JJ

As is indicated on this forum time and time again, people tend to be more demanding of what they have in 375 H&H.

The 375 Ruger is like the 338 in that someone wil be happy with a rebarreled Vanguard/Howa and plain barrel.

Does Ruger off the 375 Ruger in their expensive bolt gun?

Mike

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Does Ruger off the 375 Ruger in their expensive bolt gun?

I was actually expecting them to do that............................................

I wonder why their marketing people didn't have the gun chambered in the round

I think that Ruger recognizes that to sell an expensive gun, you need a classic or more recognized chambering such as the 375 H&H, 416 Rigby and 458 Lott. The Hawkeye is meant to compete with inexpensive CZ550s and Rem 700s, and they figure the lower budget crowd will tolerate a bit of an oddball chambering if they are saving 1000 bucks or more on the cost of the rifle.

the .375 ruger is an round tha tis not needed, why couldnt tteh ybring out the . 375 Miller und Greiss Magnum, based on the .404 inmstead of finding up an ohh we aree American and unique round that will go into obscurity faster than the newest car model from Fiat?

The consept of an standard lenght is an interessting one, but have you forgot the .375 Dakota , that has all the .375 ruger plus much , much more.

Mot many calibers are truely needed. Maybe four or five would be more that enough. Whem you talkm about classics, no caliber started out as a classic. Time will tell how and where the 375 R will settle into the mix. Everything started out as new. There is more to rifles than how much you get to spend on them. Time rolls on. Nothing stays the same.

All of this "Load-nut" stuff is cool.....AND I for one condone the development of any wildcat....It keeps our industry alive and kicking....Love'em all.

BUT some degree of practicality must be inserted into any discussion that involves the following "realities"

1) Airlines lose a lot of luggage: If you are hunting overseas / transporting your weapons via airlines you'd better stick to the very popular and easily obtainable cartridges. Try buying .375 Ruger at a Wal-Mart on a Sunday night after flying all day to your destination, just to find out that they have plenty of 30-06, 308....and your hunt begins at 4:30 AM the next morning.

2) RE-sale: Nostalgia & popularity sell! As Dan wisely stated, all things will eventually get sold. I'll bet (based on my past experiences) that when 2 identical rifles, one .375 Ruger and one .375 H&H (I chose these caliber for sake of this discussion) are offered up fo sale, 99 out of 100 buyers will take the .375 H&H even if the other rifle is less $$. The old .416 rem vs .416 Rigby argument / .465 vs .470.

3) Too much of a good thing: There is such a thing as over-penetration, Just because a roud's statistics indicate that it will have higher velocity and greater energy doesn't mean that it is :better: for hunting. The .375 RUM is a great example of this....This hot-rod (I know, I owned one) when loaded to its max potential (and isn't this why we buy'em) is hauling ass and WILL shoot-thru (and fast) a lot of game animals, thus not leaving all of its energy delivered inside the game! Also, bullets can do strange things when pushed to the limits...Sure, in theory killing ranges might get extended a bit, but at what cost, poorer shot placement as influenced by wind, animal movement...I'm not a big fan of ultra long-range shooting of game animals....save that stuff for P-dogs, Coyotes etc. Responsible ranges with "proven" cartridges would be a sensible tenet to adopt. (guess I'm a bit off topic here)

As with any argument / discussion...somewhere in the middle the best option will arise.

Good for Ruger trying to capture some more market share though - god bless Capitalism!


JW

Man, I have never seen a cartridge engender such strong feelings both pro and con as the .375 Ruger! Can't we talk about something we all like and can agree on like the Blaser R93

What makes you think you can get agreement on a Blaser 93?

I think Dan's comment on the 375R as a counterpunch to the CZ's is valid, as is the rest of his post.

Good on you Dan!!!

the 375R is going to offer true hammer power in a slightly shorter, lighter weight package than the RSM in 375H&H, AND, without the added expense of a true magnum length action. They are trying to do what Winchester tried to do in 1956(?) with the introduction of the original short magnums in the M70. It's a 375 that runs alongside the mighty Holland, as the 458WM was intended to match the old british Nitro cartridges. The difference being, the Ruger does accomplish that; where the 458WM failed. People who view a 375 as a tool, like the folks in Alaska, will embrace it. Those of us who hold out for a bit of style and grace, and history...we're H&H guys; yesterday, today, and tomorrow. There are no losers here, just a marvelous choice to make.

with regards to all,

Rich
DRSS

I think the Ruger 375 will be around for a while, simply because Ruger will ba makeing rifles for it, and many will use it in North America for places like Alaska. However, like Dan I don't see it gendering a great following in Africa, because it will do nothing that the old 1912 375 H&H will not do as well, or better. I see the 375R in the same light as the recent ULMs, short mags, and other flash in the pan cartridges that seem to show up every few years, cause a racket in the gun rags, and then fade into the sunset!
None of this opinion is to say the cartridge is not a good cartridge, it is! However, I predict ten yrs down the road, it will be about as common as the 284 Win! Could be wrong! I was once back in about 1940.

With the demise of the M70 it's about the only viable big bore choice now for lefty's. CZ keeps promising big bores but hasn't delivered and whoever buys the rights to market the M70 will probably not make a lefty version, at least not for a long time.

So, it will be successful at the low end of the market (the vast majority of sales in the USA) but not in the high end market?

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think that Ruger recognizes that to sell an expensive gun, you need a classic or more recognized chambering such as the 375 H&H, 416 Rigby and 458 Lott. The Hawkeye is meant to compete with inexpensive CZ550s and Rem 700s, and they figure the lower budget crowd will tolerate a bit of an oddball chambering if they are saving 1000 bucks or more on the cost of the rifle.

I don't agree with that statement 100%. I don't feel the chambering has that much to do with it.

I think Ruger realizes what price point will sell. By getting away from the extra expense of "Safari" style rifles the price point can be lowered to what a normal person can afford.

Also by getting away from the extended pinky mentality they have created a true working man's rifle at a price they can afford.

If Ruger would choose, it would very easy to add some extras and justify an increase in cost.

One of the main problems I see is the fact that if somebody is going to spend upwards of $2000 let alone the $10k-$100k that was getting thrown around. That rifle better fit perfect, point and balance and of course look very nice.
Not extravagant just nice.

I personally couldn't justify spending that much money on A CZ Safari classic or Ruger RSM when it was going to have get a rework done anyway.

Why not start with a smaller initial investment and spend the extra money getting the rifle the way you want it.

I have about the same money in my CZ 416 Rigby as a Ruger RSM or CZ classic. It fits, handles and looks better than the other two factory rifles. Might as well throw Winchester's in there also.

As my grandmother used to say, you can tell the difference between a man and a boy by the price of his toys.
I have quite a few high dollar toys! The biggest a $28,000.00 boat then next a $15,000.00 DR. I really like the DR better then the boat. Trying to decide if I like the 9.3 x 74 better then the 470 NE