Gents, your opinion and reasoning, please.

I am surprised the .500 Jeffery is so popular in modern rifles. It's a short, unattractive, European cartridge in my opinion.

Why not a .505 Gibbs? Is is British to the bone, nearly as powerful, and far more attractive. Also my opinion.

I have seen and shot original rifles in both and the Jeffery does nothing for me. The Gibbs, however, gets me hot (and it only has one barrel!).

What say you, keepers of the wisdom?
Cheers, mates.
Cal

Cal, you do understand that these guns are not double rifles, right?

I think the appeal today is due to the smaller action size (cheaper and easier availability)and the far greater availability of bullets in .510" vs .505", not to mention a smaller case more suited for post-cordite powders (they've come out with quite a few these last few decades) without the need for fillers.

I've seriously considered both over the years. Aside from components, from what I gather the downside of the Jeffery is getting it to feed well with the rebated rim (thus negating any savings using an inexpensive standard length action) and the downside of the Gibbs is its diameter that wants a larger than average bolt diameter even with a magnum length action.

As always just my 2 cents.

Bob

I chose the Gibbs because of the potential feeding issues that the rebated rim Jeffrey could experience. Also the larger powder capacity actually makes it more powerful (as long as you are not restricitng yourself to original factory balistics). I have a very nice rifle on a GMA action, and if feeds brilliantly. I am very happy with the choice. You actually also have quite a variety of bullets available nowadays. Woodleigh 525gn RN, FMJ, and Hydrostatically stabilised solid, 600gn PP and FMJ, 570gn Swift A-Frame, 525gn and 600gn CPS and FPS from North Fork, 540gn FN, and 420gn HV from GS Custom, 525gn DGS and DGX from Hornady, 485gn HP and 525gn Solid from CEB, and 525gn TSX and Banded Solids from Barnes. (Not to mention the A square 525gn offerings as I am not sure if they are still available.) There are some very effective loads to be had using many of the above bullets.

Cal...I would choose the .505....no rebated rim, lower pressure..

But you certainly do not need one, that .600 Wilkes has all the stopping power you can possibly need..

You can buy a "sure to work" beautiful 505 Gibbs from CZ, not that more than .0001% of hunters could justify having it except for "I want one".

Look at the CZ high grade catalog, you'll get a tingle up your leg.

Would love to play with one with 50-90 level cast bullet loads as they would kill anything in the US of A very dead. No "heffelumps" in Wyoming.

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I am surprised the .500 Jeffery is so popular in modern rifles. It's a short, unattractive, European cartridge in my opinion.

Why not a .505 Gibbs? Is is British to the bone, nearly as powerful, and far more attractive. Also my opinion.

It always makes me giggle when some folks talk about British and European cartridges ! Britain has always been a part of Europe, so British IS European. There are seven continents that I know of (Europe, Asia, Africa, North America, South America, Australia, and Antarctica).

If it`s a bolt cartridge trust German.If it`s a double cartridge trust English.If it`s a bolt rifle trust German...If it`s a semi-auto trust Italian.If it`s a slingshot trust..?? If it's a knife for back stabbing(with the engraved initials MJ or TW) trust..?? If it's a fake gun trust B&M.(reknowned gunsmith Lionhunter)

They are americans, forgive them. At least they know Europe is overseas.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
If it's a knife for back stabbing(with the engraved initials MJ or TW) trust..??

When can I get my knife back by the way? Never my desire to make that post on the other thread, but your response to the gentleman's question was just out and out rude and uncalled for. What goes around generally comes around.

Nothing rude in having a playful discussion on bullets and shooting especially on a thread that is not part of someones hunt report.I felt that if the shot was near the brain it would have shown the bullets in a better light-especially from a 500NE..

Okay, fair enough. Just consider my post playful.

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Originally posted by MJines:
Okay, fair enough. Just consider my post playful.

I did.I am sorry I called you a backstabber.I wanted to keep the cow buff event from ruining my hunt and hunt report.I felt that somewhere along the line I would bring it out-as it is really no big deal to me..

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Originally posted by 45-70 shooter:
You can buy a "sure to work" beautiful 505 Gibbs from CZ, not that more than .0001% of hunters could justify having it except for "I want one".

Look at the CZ high grade catalog, you'll get a tingle up your leg.

Would love to play with one with 50-90 level cast bullet loads as they would kill anything in the US of A very dead. No "heffelumps" in Wyoming.

Larry, GTF outa here, we don't need your psychotic trolling ass on this Website.

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Originally posted by Ingvar J. Kristjansson:

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I am surprised the .500 Jeffery is so popular in modern rifles. It's a short, unattractive, European cartridge in my opinion.

Why not a .505 Gibbs? Is is British to the bone, nearly as powerful, and far more attractive. Also my opinion.

It always makes me giggle when some folks talk about British and European cartridges ! Britain has always been a part of Europe, so British IS European. There are seven continents that I know of (Europe, Asia, Africa, North America, South America, Australia, and Antarctica).

Don't let an Englishman (or anyone from the UK for that matter), EVER refer to them as European. The fact they kept their own currency ought to give you a hint!

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Originally posted by Ingvar J. Kristjansson:

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I am surprised the .500 Jeffery is so popular in modern rifles. It's a short, unattractive, European cartridge in my opinion.

Why not a .505 Gibbs? Is is British to the bone, nearly as powerful, and far more attractive. Also my opinion.

It always makes me giggle when some folks talk about British and European cartridges ! Britain has always been a part of Europe, so British IS European. There are seven continents that I know of (Europe, Asia, Africa, North America, South America, Australia, and Antarctica).

Technically correct. However, within the circle of gun manufacture influence, there has always been a definitive separation between "British" and "On the Continent".

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by Ingvar J. Kristjansson:

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I am surprised the .500 Jeffery is so popular in modern rifles. It's a short, unattractive, European cartridge in my opinion.


Why not a .505 Gibbs? Is is British to the bone, nearly as powerful, and far more attractive. Also my opinion.

It always makes me giggle when some folks talk about British and European cartridges ! Britain has always been a part of Europe, so British IS European. There are seven continents that I know of (Europe, Asia, Africa, North America, South America, Australia, and Antarctica).

Technically correct. However, within the circle of gun manufacture influence, there has always been a definitive separation between "British" and "On the Continent".

I agree on that point

Back to the topic....

Cal, buy whatever turns your crank. My choice was the 500 Jeffery over the Gibbs. Like you I have handled and shot both but settled on the Jeffery because it generates so much less recoil in a gun of the same weight. I shoot fairly modest loads in my Jeffery, 110 grains of RL 15 with a 535 grain Woodleigh. It's not really unpleasant to shoot at all. My good friend had a Gibbs. They burn so much more powder to fill that giant case. Recoil increases significantly. Just my two cents.

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Originally posted by Karl:
They are americans, forgive them. At least they know Europe is overseas.

Really??? Even that is questionable. 50-50 perhaps?

Pyzda

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Originally posted by Pyzda:

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Originally posted by Karl:
They are americans, forgive them. At least they know Europe is overseas.

Really??? Even that is questionable. 50-50 perhaps?

Pyzda

STFU and go away Larry//

I picked a 505 Gibbs. I thought hard about a Jeffery but the Gibbs has everything and no drawbacks that the Jeffery could experience.

What action did you use for your Gibbs?

Cal, there are as you know all too well the arguments about rebated rim and feeding and recoil but let me add a minor one. I love my Gibbs and it's very accurat - .5 moa at 100 yds, 3 inch groups regularly at 300 yds off sticks but if you ever get into long range shooting the 505 case is the gold standard. My two .375s based on Gibbs 505 cases are amazingly accurate, one out to 2000 yds. The cases are the same but have to be fire formed and trimmed. Useful from a reloading point of view.

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Originally posted by chuck375:
What action did you use for your Gibbs?

Is that meant for me,if it is.....Satterlee's Gibbs custom Mauser action.

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Originally posted by jorge:

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Originally posted by Pyzda:

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Originally posted by Karl:
They are americans, forgive them. At least they know Europe is overseas.

Really??? Even that is questionable. 50-50 perhaps?

Pyzda

STFU and go away Larry//

Jorge,
Who is Larry?
I have a feeling that Pyzda is a POSeur.
Any help at ferreting this BOZO out is appreciated.

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Originally posted by FAST996:

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Originally posted by chuck375:
What action did you use for your Gibbs?

Is that meant for me,if it is.....Satterlee's Gibbs custom Mauser action.

It was thanks.

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Originally posted by RIP:

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Originally posted by jorge:

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Originally posted by Pyzda:

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Originally posted by Karl:
They are americans, forgive them. At least they know Europe is overseas.

Really??? Even that is questionable. 50-50 perhaps?

Pyzda

STFU and go away Larry//

Jorge,
Who is Larry?
I have a feeling that Pyzda is a POSeur.
Any help at ferreting this BOZO out is appreciated.

His Name is Larry Root, also posts here as 45-70 Shooter. Over on 24Hr Campfire, he has over FIFTY different names and as always he gets caught. He's a total jerk and an insufferable troll.

I must say--I have had both...I will do another 505 and it will be proper with a GMA action. I have a lefty 505 CZ right now--and while a hell of a nice gun and works just fine--it was not quite what I wanted.

The 505 is a really sexy rifle. It is big, and bold. I had a Hoffman arms gun one apon a time and it was a fine rifle 26 in barrel big magnum mauser action it was quite the long tom but proper!!! If I had had to build one tomorrow --the choice would be easy--- 505 Rimless magnum!

Ed

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Originally posted by cal pappas:
Gents, your opinion and reasoning, please.

I am surprised the .500 Jeffery is so popular in modern rifles. It's a short, unattractive, European cartridge in my opinion.

Why not a .505 Gibbs? Is is British to the bone, nearly as powerful, and far more attractive. Also my opinion.

I have seen and shot original rifles in both and the Jeffery does nothing for me. The Gibbs, however, gets me hot (and it only has one barrel!).

What say you, keepers of the wisdom?
Cheers, mates.
Cal

I am on your side on this one. The .500Jeffery is undoubtly a good cartridge, but I do have "thing" for cartridges made before WW1 where glamour of the british empire peaked. The .505 Gibbs is a beautiful cartridge that resembles the .577/500 3 1/8" Holland & Holland Magnum.
As you do live in Alaska, grabbing a cartridge with big insulated gloves i believe it is easier to fetch a Gibbs than a Jeffery?(just a theory)

my 505 will break clay targets at 200 yards , it put a barnes FNS through 30 pieces of 1 and 1/8' thick plyboard construction matt (I COULD HAVE RELOADED THE BULLET AND SHOT IT AGAIN). Standing Next to the 600 nitro you gave me it looks small.

JD

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Gents, your opinion and reasoning, please.

I am surprised the .500 Jeffery is so popular in modern rifles. It's a short, unattractive, European cartridge in my opinion.

Why not a .505 Gibbs? Is is British to the bone, nearly as powerful, and far more attractive. Also my opinion.

I have seen and shot original rifles in both and the Jeffery does nothing for me. The Gibbs, however, gets me hot (and it only has one barrel!).

First, for accuracy sake, if you handload, the Gibbs has much more capacity than the Jeffrey. Either one has a nostalgia factor.

If you build a rifle, then pick the level of power you would like, 6000, 7000, 8000 or 9000 ftlbs. The Gibbs is for 9000, the Jeffrey/Mbogo/A2 for 8000. I built a 500AccRel (Nyati) because I wanted a 7000 ftlb rifle (just over the Gibbs and Jeffrey factory loads) in a medium length action and easy carrying rifle. The price was right, too.

I would go with the Gibbs over the Jeffery. Just a bigger, better designed and potentially more powerful round.

I have always thought it would be cool to have a .303, a .404 and a .505!

But they're all oddball bullet diameters, by today's standards.

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I have always thought it would be cool to have a .303, a .404 and a .505!

But they're all oddball bullet diameters, by today's standards.

I thought the same. I started with a 505 Gibbs, and eventually I will get a 404 bolt action, and if I can find one a double in 303. Odd-ball doesn't really matter if you handload, there are plenty of good bullets around.