Hi all, I'm new here. I've always wanted a double rifle, but presently they are out of my price range. I've heard about the EAA doubles that are supposed to be availibe sometime in 2003.

http://www.eaacorp.com/firearms/shotguns/izhmp221_rifle/index.html

It may not be a traditional double, but I think it would be alot of fun to own and shoot. If the 45-70 wasn't enough cartrige, maybe it could be reamed out to 45-120 or similar.

Any thoughts?

Lar45 I sent eaa an e mail asking if there 45/70 is pressure rated for Garrett, Corbon, and Buffalo Bore factory loads. If so those loads are plenty powerful enough for any use the 45/70 is suitable for. The weight on the rifle is listed a 7.5lbs, if that is the case those loads will kick plenty enough. If the rifle is offered in 30-06 I see no reason why it could not handle any 45/70 load that is safe in the Marlin.
Do you know the price of these rifles?

What is this gun worth ??

maybe its a double I can afford !!

Hello

I just got off the phone with the company. I was told these double guns should be available by mid 2003 and the price is going to be around $700.

It is sweet. I want one. Thanks for the info.

I believe that PWN converted his 45/70 Pedersoli into a 450 #2. I understand it was a good conversion and took several animals in Africa before he stumbled and lost the rifle down a warthog hole. Sounds like this new rifle would be a great candidate for this conversion.

Here is a link to the previous thread
450 #2 Conversion

Hope this helps.

Rusty
We band of brothers!

Okay,
I am going to book an order for one of these.. Hell, for the price of the action, I can rebarrel from that italian company into 470... Or, like our own dear teggy did.. hand ream to 45/120...

YEEHAA!!!!
Bet it's as ugly as axhole's sister....

jeffe

Gentlemen I just recieved an e-mail from EAA. I had asked if their 45/70 double would take Garrett,Corbon,and Buffalo Bore factory loads that were loaded to a higher velocity but safe in the Marlin Lever action rifles. The reply was "standard loads only". This would still allow you to load 350gr. and 400gr. bullets to 1700 to1800fps. Still plenty enough for any game up to moose, and black bear.

I also just got my email from them... MSRP of $650, and there will be more data available in january "next month" was the quote.

They also told me to put in my order, early..

YEEEHAAAa

a 45/70 double, with no hammers...

I'll also get their 12ga hunter, double shotgun, as that can have ejectors, and compare them...

if it's available in 308, it should handle more pressure, but I am worried about bolt thrust..

Butch, You have any ideas on this one?

jeffe

I think that the pressure thing in this rifle would be limited by casehead thrust. Pressure times area of the case body. So if you take the pressure and area of a 270, then do a conversion to the area of a 45-70 you come out around 42kpsi. So I think it would hold the marlin loads. I read at the Garret site about the guy who used the marlin and his hammerhead loads for the Big 6. It sounded pretty impressive. I heard the price was going to be around $630. I've picked up a couple thousand bullets from 300-500gns and 500rounds of brass, and told my favorite gun store to be on the lookout for their introduction. I'm ready. At 7.5lbs it may need some weight put into the stock to tame it down. I was also thinking about the 470NE, couldn't you have the 45-70bbls rebored to .475 and then chambered? Or do they only do that on single bbls?

At only 7.5 lbs there may not be enough "steel" in the bbls to rechamber to 450 No2, much less rebore to 470. The Pedersoli has very thick bbls.

I like these and if I double the US price it will come out at around $1400AUS If we can get them in Australia I can smell my first ever double

I think that there responce about standard loads only is the typical Lawyer responce. If I'm able to get one, I plan on trying some Marlin level loads in it. It should go well with my BFR in 45-70. I sold my 30-378 to get the money for this. I just hope that I can get one before they are all gone. I wonder if there is anyplace to get on a waiting list?

Lar,
Let us know when you get yours done!

Ho Ho Geez Ho Ho Ho!
I could have fun with one of these too.

Sounds like a great intro to double rifle fever but though EAA seems to build plenty strong rifles, they be also purty yugly. I think I'll weasel away the nickles until I can get a Pedersoli and convert it. I always favored hammers, anywho.

Ooga, me want, must have...

Lar45,

How do you like that BFR? What kinda performance vel/accuracy are you getting from it.

QD

Quickdraw, The BFR is a real beast. It's huge and weighs about 4 1/2pounds. It was a bit awkward at first to shoot it offhand, but I'm getting used to it and the weight really helps it settle down for long shots. The action is fairly smooth, the trigger pull could be shortened just a hair, but it's not bad. I lifted one side of the trigger spring off like on Rugers and it helped alot. The cylinder is 3" long so there is pleanty of room for long bullets. The cylinder bbl gap is way tight. I can't fit a .0015" feeler gauge in between. I've tried some factory Rem 300JHP's and they shot incredibly well. At 50yds, I put three shots touching and the next two went slightly out for a 1.75" group. Imagine what it might do with a scope? I've been having a real problem with cast bullets though. I've tried everything from 300 to 500gns with several different powders. With H4895 I got real low velocity variations, but some of the groups went into 13". The best I've done so far is with the 350's and IMR4227. I get groups around 3". I was going to be satisfied with this until I saw what it could do with the Jacketed bullets. I think the cylinder throats are abit tight. I'm looking to either ream or hone them out to .459". The sights are good, but I might need a taller front. They aren't quite as crisp as my Seville though. I e-mailed Magnum research to see what kind of pressure the gun was rated for and they replied that they only suggested using factory loads in it. This sounded like the typical Lawyer responce. They chamber the same gun in 450 Marlin. The also chamber the short cylinder model in 475Linebaugh, which has load data in the 55kpsi range. So I'm thinking that I should be able to use data intended for the 1895 marlin, 40k, and maybe into the 55k range. Of all the loads I've tried so far, none have showed any sign of high pressure, the primers look normal and the brass either falls out when the gun is tipped up or comes right out with a slight touch of the ejector. I've pushed 350's past 1800fps, they weren't bad to shoot. I've also got 405's to 1750fps. They were not fun to shoot anymore though. Until I get the undersized throat situation setteled, I won't be able to tell about the accuracy with the cast bullets though. The bore slugs .458" and I used my dial caliper to measure the inside of the throats and they were .456". I pushed a slug through the throat and it measured .458". I then put a 444 case in the front of the throat and measured the outside next to the cylinder, it also measured .458". I'm thinking that my caliper may need replacing. I'll have to get another one and see how the measurements compare. I've read that the throats need to be about .001" larger than the bore for the best accuracy. The 10"bbl is abit cumbersome, I'm thinking about cutting it back to 7.5 or 6.5". Maybe then it'll fit in a sholder holster. Overall, I'm happy with it and I'm thinking about getting one in 475. I need to get this EAA double first though.

I asked about a waiting list and they replied that the first orders placed would be filled first. So I'm going to talk with my local gunshop and have them place the order soon. The closest I was to getting a double was at a gunshow in Washington. I saw a guy in the parking lot with a nice looking rifle and asked him if he just picked it up. He said that he'd come to sell it. It was a 9.3x74R and he only wanted $1200 for it. I told him I'd give him that and reached for my wallet. I guess I must have been to eager and scared him. He held it close and wouldn't even let me hold it or look at it, then went inside. So I don't know what it was. I should have kept my poker face on and offered him $800 after I checked it all over, frowning and mumbling to myself all the while.

How about getting one in .30/06 and rechambering it to .300 H&H. Just think a poor boy's highland stalking rifle.
Good Shooting,
HBB

I wonder if any of the barrels will be interchangable.

That would be cool to get a set of bbls in 30-06 and 20ga. Then make a presentation case to hold it all.

Talk about making a silk purse out of a sow's ear! I don't think even Jim Henson could make this piggy purty if it's like their other stuff; but as Forest said "Purty is as purty does".

doesn't look that bad. one question though. why does the butt of the stock drop so much? i would think that increases felt recoil. i might have to buy one of these.
just show up at deercamp with it. guys would sh!t a brick!!!!!!!!!!!
woofer

I contacted EAA; they said to contact Jerry's or any of their other distributors. Uh huh. Right.

So, I called Jerry's and was told they don't have them (no surprise, you guys said they wouldn't be out until next month), but I asked if I could get on a list for two of these things. The guy said I could, if there was an item number available, but there's no number in the system yet. He said to keep calling back.

He also said EAA told them (Jerry's) that they would be delivering these things TWO YEARS ago.

I'm no longer encouraged about ever seeing one.

Russ

My Good. Looking at their specifications listing - who would want a double in 7.62x39 ?????

The Pedersoli looks a far nicer double.

Russell - for an item number, look a little closer.

EAA told me they won't be shipping until mid-year. They added that if I wanted one (or some) that I should ask Jerry's to order now, as EAA will be shipping first come, first served.

On a brighter note, Gibbs is now shipping their Summit 45/70 carbine via JSC and I'll be picking one up next week!

Sam B.
FireflyArms.com

Russell

OK, No Problems. Happy New Year.