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Guys, I shed a small tear every time I see these prices knowing I could have bought a Holland reconditioned 465 Royal for $12,000 in 2000. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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It maybe that Holland kept production rolling during a quiet time and have some doubles in stock for showroom and show purposes. I doubt they would keep producing speculative doubles every year unless they move the existing ones. As I said, I have experience with WR and Purdey. Both have regular clients whom account for over half the production ongoing for years.... I’ve seen WR prices go up 50% in the last 5 years. They were significantly “underpriced” when compared to the other UK competitors. They are still well under the London guys but I feel produce the best quality right now! Purdey s and Holland’s prices remain stagnant I feel. Boss are at another level price wise, and have seen a resurgence under new ownership, but they are mainly focused on shotguns not rifles. They do have a big client from Oz that has some interesting double rifles in build though... He has had a lot of Purdey production as well over the last 5 years. Again Boss total production is running circa 30 odd per year and mostly pairs so 15 items per year. General supply and demand economics here. As a side note, the new o/u shotguns they are making now being side locked and incorporating the Rigby/Bissell rising bite are the most superlative works that I’ve ever seen!!! Muchos $$$$$$$$$$$$ The WR barrel blank supplier I believe is Krupp. Will find out Shootaway and post on this. | |||
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Thanks WR500. Does WR have a hammer forging machine or does a barrel maker do it for them? I would guess someone did it for them. | |||
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My late friend, Maximus Brutus here on AR, had both a Holland & Holland, 500NE, Royal bespoke rifle built and a WR 375 H&H. He also had a WR 577 being built. Start to finish on both rifles was right at 3 years. He took delivery of the H&H in time to hunt an ele bull with Buzz in 2014 and took delivery of the WR a few months before his untimely passing. Neither were stock guns. Here is an excerpt from his hunt report where he states the rifle was bespoke. Unfortunately, the photos are gone now. There were several of the rifle. It was a beautiful example. http://forums.accuratereloadin...381034402#2381034402 | |||
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... And so we see that trickle-down economics does work, at least around West London, Birmingham, Crewe and Stuttgart. The traditional reason used guns appreciated was because the price of new ones kept going up. If WR prices have increased 50 per cent in five years, used ones should still be a good investment - if not, something really is wrong - and seeing the stockmarket today it may be these prestige commodities were in fact canaries in the coalmine. | |||
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Sambarman338 I would have no trouble recouping or even making a tidy profit on my 500 delivered 2 years ago. the price was contracted in 2013, and with production so small, indeed if someone wants one and doesn’t want to wait then, yeah they would pay the price and I would pocket the balance. I have seen several examples of this in the last couple of years I never build them with the aim of making money,but back when I ordered the First WR , the prices were half of Purdey and Holland’s. Just too good to pass up really. I Did have the heads up that they were going to raise cost the following year so I made the call and glad I did!!! | |||
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In 1981 I passed on a well used Holland and Holland 470 as I recall, it was $2500. with a half box of Kynoch ammo at the Boise Id. gun show..They showed up from time to time..I sold a fine 577 for $8000 for a PH I booked for at the time..Had a broken wrist in the stock, buyer repaired it, and doubled his money plus some..Wish Id of just bought it myself, but didn't...The old dude that I sold the gun for and a room full of doubles that he paid little or nothing for to decorate his gun room, sold them and decorated his retirement fund.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Surprise! Most custom rifles lose value over the short and medium term... even rifles by artists like Steve Heilmann. The very finest rifles might fare better - rifles by Hartmann and Weiss, for instance. Over the long haul, you will usually make money on a recognized maker like Griffin and Howe... of course that may take 50 years or more to happen. I find it much easier to regard the purchase of high end rifles as a 'luxury purchase' but not an investment. | |||
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The best way to have your rifle appreciate from new (in real terms) is to become a famous writer, take it to Africa, have it survive a couple of plane crashes and last 50 years beyond yourself. Otherwise, unless you get in before a seldom-seen price rise, as WR500 did, most gains are illusory. | |||
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As the caretaker of an H&H Royal .375 double, can say that we’re a dying breed, those who appreciate these things. I don’t forsee a crash but even before I bought mine saw a gradually shrinking market, but market and investment factors aren’t why one buys such things. We buy them because we love them and what they represent. As long as you get your use out of it, it’s paying you back handsomely.  | |||
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Well said,  Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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