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I would like to know if we will see any American companies making a straight pull rifle like the Blaser?They seem to be very good and the successful, I would like to hear feedback | ||
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Browning T Bolt, but it is rimfire only. My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost. | |||
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Cost, more than anything. Operationally, the US bolts are very simple designs, perfect for ugly conditions and mass production. Arguably the US Bolts are stronger actions - but this is quite the arguable point. Euro straight pulls are more complex and while they do offer a faster shot (perfect for driven game in dense forests) they don't really offer any advantages for Western hunting... In the end I really think it's just supply/demand. There's just not much demand here in the US for it. Regards, Robert ****************************** H4350! It stays crunchy in milk longer! | |||
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Straight pull actions in general lack adequate primary extraction. In a Mauser or Mauser derivative bolt action, the bolt exerts a mechanical advantage of 8.5 to 9.25-1 during the 90 degree motion it takes to unlock the bolt from the receiver. This force is used to pull the fired cartridge case about .16 inches away from the chamber, breaking it free from the adhesion to the chamber walls. A rifle without primary extraction operates in the same way as a plain corkscrew which removes a cork from a bottle by main force, whereas rifle with primary extraction is like the patent corkscrew used by wine stewards and bartenders which multiplies the force brought to bear on it and starts the cork in motion with much less exertion. A load which would require extra exertion on the bolt handle to open it would completely tie up a straight pull action, not a happy situation to be in while hunting dangerous game or even elusive game which will be doing its best to flee after an unsuccessful first shot. The straight pull action has its advantages shooting running game from an elevated stand, but not in other common hunting situations. It is telling that one of the most advanced straight pull designs, that of the phenominally accurate Ross rifle, failed completely when exposed to harsh wartime conditions in the trenches during World War I. | |||
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The story of the Ross, described by the British NRA in about 1910 or 1912 as "a target rifle masquerading as a service weapon" and its failings are well known. Less well known is that they weren't ALL down to the bad design of the rifle stop bolt but also to the fact that by 1916 the British has revised the specification of .303 ammunition to allow a WIDER tolerance of oversize cases to be accepted rather than rejected as too large. I have owned and used a 280 Ross 1905 Pattern...the Highland Stalking Model...which is probably about the most modern looking. I placed 3rd in 1995 at Bisley, England in the British NRA Historic Arms Running Deer Competition with it. As others say given that initial effort on the bolt is required to be quite strong I can say that in real terms a Lee-Enfield SMLE was actually "slicker" to work...and that any modern Mauser type with equivalent pressure ammunition...think 270 Winchester...also appears to require less effort to initially get the bolt moving AND THEN GET THE TRIGGER FINGER BACK ON TO THE TRIGGER. So in real terms was it, to me, faster on a repeat shot? No! My Lee-Enfield was quicker (that sixty degree thrown and that the bolt handle was well placed relative to regaining the trigger) and ditto the ninety degree Mauser. Simply put whilst a straight pull might on paper seem quicker the fact is that because on a Lee-Enfield or a bent bolt handle Mauser you hand comes back down to place the trigger finger back near to the trigger these two types are, I found, quicker in real terms. | |||
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The US has an advanced straight pull action of a sort. It is called the 760 or 7600 Remington slide action. You just operate it with the other (non trigger) hand. This is a very successful design type in shotguns. However the number of rifles sold with the slide action mechanism is much lower. I suspect that Europeans do not use this design in rifles very much. | |||
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+1 That's true! Quicker than any Ross, Blaser or whatever! | |||
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I also have a 1905 Ross and a Lee Navy straight pull, as well. I don't think either of them could possibly keep up with my manipulation of my Model 70 Winchester target rifle (or for that matter with my SMLE, with which I once fired five aimed shots in eight seconds, all in the black, at 100 yards). | |||
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I have long thought that a pump rifle in Magnum calibers would be a verrrrrryn interesting DG rifle. perhaps we could get close with a 9.3x62 or a 400 Whelen? Just like a browning BAR in 458 Win or 416 Taylor would be great if we could use semi-autos in Africa "The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane." Mark Twain TANSTAAFL www.savannagems.com A unique way to own a piece of Africa. DSC Life NRA Life | |||
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Check out the Krieghoff Semprio, a truly bizarre rifle. | |||
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A friend has a Semprio in 375 Ruger/30-06 the gun shoots lights out and is very fast once you get used to the action. They are coming out with a 416 Ruger at the Shot Show and I want one. My friend has fired well over 1000 rounds with no issues | |||
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Blaser has the market cornered - worldwide, including the USA. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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I would like to see an American company make the Newton "leverbolt" rifle. A friend of mine has one on order in 416 Rigby - left handed to boot - from Germany but I can't recall offhand who is building it. | |||
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Browning makes a straight pull bolt called the Marala. It is currently sold in Europe. Not sure if you could order one in the states. The gun looks like a take-off of their newer design autoloader. With the Marala the shooter pulls the bolt handle back to eject the fired case then lets go of the bolt handle. The bolt then closes automatically, picking up a fresh round and chambering it. Kinda half straight pull bolt, half autoloader. | |||
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You're right about the parent of the design. It's nothing more that a BAR with the gas system removed. Quick, Cheap, or Good: Pick Two | |||
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Why not just use a lever action such as the Browning BLR? I believe it would be faster than a straight pull rifle. The BLR's have been converted successfully as 375 and 416 Rugers. Jim "Life's hard; it's harder if you're stupid" John Wayne | |||
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