Guys,

I've used a number of "dot scopes" on race pistols over the years. They really are great for moving targets.

The ones I like the best are the C-More Serendipity and the Holoscope. I actually like the Holoscope I a little better than the Serendipity and the Holoscope II. These handle the recoil of 1911-based race guns in 38 Super, 9x23, 9x25, 40 S&W (loaded HOT ... 135 at 1550 fps), and 10 mm for thousands of rounds. They are also superb on subguns when mounted in the "scout" position.

Anyone ever tried the Holoscope on a DGR? Any information on how well they handle heavy rifle recoil ... like the 416 Rigby?

thanks,

Personally, I wouldn't want to rely on a sight that needs batteries. They tend to die at the worst possible time. Murphy's law, and all that....

Best,
Joe

Let me tell you something. A Holosight on an AR-15 is one quick setup.

Incidentally, a Holosight is not a red dot sight. There's a big difference. I also use one on a trap gun, and it's really good, but stocking has to be radical to use it.

I think it would be great on a DG rifle, but I would want something done about the auto off electronics. That could be embarrasing.

MS,don't have the holo,but do have an Eotech mounted on a short bbl 45-70, I use on hogs and I have to say its held up well so far to factory ammo, and for snap shooting is the best I have found

On one of my visits to Champlin Firearms I saw an old Dominion Grade H&H double with a Holo sight on it. The owner was having trouble with focusing due to advancing years.

At first I was horrified that he had JJ put the Holo on, but as I shouldered the double I was amazed at how easy you acquired the target.

I'm impressed with the Holo, don't know if I'd put it on my DGR?

Rusty
We band of borthers!

The German hunters use them on everything. They match a Blazer bolt rifle, but I don't think I could keep my breakfast down long enough to hunt, if I put one on one of my double rifles!

[ 03-25-2003, 23:47: Message edited by: MacD37 ]

Mike,

I haven't seen the Holosight on a dangerous game rifle, but I have seen the English-made FireSight on .458s in South Africa. The battery lasts something like 9 months in "always on", so the recommendation was to replace it every six months.

This sight was also sold by Tasco as the Optima, and is now sold by E. Arthur Brown as the J-Point (built by someone else).

http://eabco.com/optima01.html

I expect that the recoil forces are more of a problem on the semi-auto slide than they are on a heavy rifle because of the two-way accelerations you get as the slide moves back and then forward.

jim dodd

Guys,

Just a point or two of clarification:

1) Bushnell sold the EoTech Holoscope I under it's name. I am not sure they are doing so with the Holoscope II. The Holoscope I has a replaceable reticle module ... some are really nifty for gun games. The one I like on subguns is a rising line to a dot and circle. ... makes finding a target very, very fast.

2) Mounting any heads up scope on a 1911 is done by providing a frame mount. The only two that survive wonderfully well are the C-More and the Holoscope, Have had a couple of Tasco PDPs fail due to tube breakage. No tube to break on the C-more or the Holoscope, Have also seen a couple of Aimpoints fail, but I did not own them.

thanks,

How about a trijicon reflex sight? You wouldn't have to worry about batteries and I think they cost about the same. They last for years, and I think they would hold up to almost anything. I was thinking about trying one instead of a scout scope.
Just another option for a quick sight.

I have a Aimpoint 5000 on my .460 WBY and I think it is the best sight for fast shoots and for best accuracy at short range! Any one else that use Aimpoint???

Ever seen the Docter sight in America?

It only has 25grams and there are two versions, one for handguns with 7 moa dot and a rifle version with 3.5 moa dot.

The batery lasts aroung 2 years with permanet on-mode. The point is only visible from the shooter-side.

Holds up to 1000g ecelleration.

Have on on my 416 Rigby - hell of a spare setup, accurat out to 100yards without problems, paralax free out to 45yards (40meters).

Austrian and hunters use it quite a lot for driven boar hunts.

Very small device, can be carried around as a spare like a peep in your pockets.

web page

Franz

Franz,

The Doctor sight looks like the FireSight/Optima/JPoint sight. This picture is from the website you gave.


Do you have a picture of the sight mounted on your rifle?

jim dodd

Hi,Doc Meurers use a Holosight 1 on his .460 Wby Bullpub with no problems.
I use one on my .30-06 but I`ll go for the new aimpoint.It has more battery power and can mount lower than the bushnell.

Not my cup of tea. The parallax thing is the biggest booger. Some of the cheaper ones are parallax free at zero yards! Is 45 yards the best that any of them can do? I say they are only good for shotguns or shortrange work with any firearm. They would make my stomach queazy too.

In the August 1999 issue of Handloader mag, an article by Phil Shoemaker and his 505/510 Gibbs rifle shows his rifle with some type of sighting device similar to what is described (holo sight) - does anyone know what it is ? Phil tells a good story about how he came upon the rifle and the headaches involved with getting it to function properly and its effectiveness on brown / grizzly bears, but the sight is not mentioned - any ideas? Seems like a good option for those "up close and personal" encounters with toothed critters - KMule

I have talked to Trijicon, Aimpoint, and ATN about their sights for customers and all claim they will take the recoil of a big bore rifle, trijicon mentioned 1,000 g's tolerance as well. We have tried my Reflex on Ruger No. 1's in 458 Win and 416 rigby with no problems on the range. At half the cost of a good old world scope it may be a real option.

I have a BSA red-dot on my 30-06, and I can easily hit a 8" gong at 200 yards. Had to do some "night-fighting" with it against a black bear last year, it came into our hunting camp after dark, and the red-dot worked SWEET....poor Yogi.

i spoke to a Bushnell rep about mounting one of these on a rifle and he advised me against it.

my question to him centered around the claim that the sight produces a reticle "fifty yards in front of the muzzle". i asked him what that meant. in our conversation, i told him i was considering putting one on a 45-70 Marlin. that's when he told me that i would be dissatisfied with the sight's performance on a rifle and that i should use a scope, not the Holosight.

i still do not understand this statement that the reticle appears to be fifty yards in front of the muzzle. does that mean that you cannot sight on a target further than 50 yards or what??? i don't understand the statement at all. can someone shed some light on this for me? has anyone shot at distant targets with success using this sight??