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Hi folks, I'm new to this forum, but I notice there seems to be quite a few big bore shooters posting here. Makes for some informative and interesting reading! Thanks! Although I have no experience with over .40 bores, I want to build or buy in the forseeable future. My interest lies with a .416 Taylor or .404 Jeffrey, and would like some input on my supposition that the recoil of the Jeffrey would be softer/slower due to it's lower operating pressure. Is this a valid presumption, assuming rifle and bullet wt. are the same??? | ||
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gwindrider1, I can't tell you from experience the difference in recoil between the 416 Taylor and the 404 Jeffrey...but having shot a 416 Taylor and Rigby and Remington I can tell you the Taylor is the easiest recoiling 416 available on a larger-than-'06 case. I would guess the Jeffrey recoils more due to the larger amount of powder it uses. Let's wait and see what those with more experience than I have to say. | |||
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There is lot of talk about the effect of grains of powder on recoil, and it is apparent to me in the difference between the .280 and 7 mm Rem. Mag. But in the big stuff there isn't that much differnce in powder weight. Some must be real sensitive to small differences. It is mostly muzzle energy, same weight rifle, same weight bullet going the same velocity...same recoil. You can play with a version of a recoil calculator to see for yourself: http://www.bp-tec.com/recoil_calculator.htm P.S. Shooting my new-to-me 416 Taylor in the morning. I expect zero recoil!  | |||
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Of course stocking makes a big difference, but I would suggest that the 404 has more of a push, and less felt recoil due to case design of a long sloping case as opposed the sharp shouldered 416 Chatfield-Taylor case...I have owned and shot both a good deal and with the same stock design and I have always felt the 404 kicked a bit less than any of the 40 calibers when loaded to equal velocities...I have also noticed this with the 300 H&H and 375 H&H... Is it enough to sway my opinnion alone, I doubt it..but I sure prefer the .404 to the wildcat Taylor or any of the 416s for that matter.... | |||
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Ray, What type of stock would you recommend to best suit felt recoil in a .404? I am finally preparing to have mine won 404 built and am open to experienced opinions. | |||
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Loaded to equal velocities the 416 Taylor will produce a higher recoil force; therefore, recoil push/shove/kick than the 404 Jeffery. Whether you can "feel" the difference is another thing entirely. ASS_CLOWN | |||
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the question depends on the load, assuming the SAME stock and weight. the taylor gets loaded to close to 2400 (might be over, depending on cicumstances) loaded both to 2250 (which DRASTICALLY lowers the pressure on the taylor) should produce no noticable difference in recoil... assuming the same stock and weight jeffe | |||
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Maxman, I like my stock design and it is some where between a Holland and Holland and an American classic..Its a bit straighter than a H&H stock and less than an American Classic....It will take about 50% of the recoil up and 50% of it back..It has a comb and drop at heel that is user friendly with iron sights and still works fine with a scope...Jim Brockman, Brockman guns, has my pattern and is selling laminated and wood drop in wood stocks for the CZ..or he will turn your wood...I can send you a photo of that design if you will email me...Everyone that has ever used it liked it so far..... | |||
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Ray, Quote: I think that may be a bit of an exaggeration. For that to be true the drop at comb and the LOP would have to be practically identical. I think your stock probably pushes back with about 85-90% of it's recoil and up with 10-15%. ASS_CLOWN | |||
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Quote: Ray, Is this the design that you are talking about (it was on the Brockman web site)? Do you know how much they sell for? Jim  | |||
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Quote: I believe the ft-lbs of energy exiting the barrel are equal to the ft-lbs of energy headed at your shoulder. Pressure is not relevant to recoil. Ft-lbs of energy is directly related to the weight of the bullet and directly related to the SQUARE of the velocity. Factors after this are the weight of the rifle and the design of the stock. Obviously a heavier rifle will reduce the stab on the shoulder and the drop of the stock will have a moment arm that will govern how much of the energy will be transmitted to direct shoulder smack and how much will be transmitted into muzzle jump. Generally speaking ...all things being equal.....if they have equal muzzle energy, they'll have equal recooil. | |||
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