Where can I find reloading information on the 375 Flanged Mag? I have limited information in "Shooting The British Double".

Jim

JBoutfishn

I have a 375 Flanged Magnum double rifle so may be able to help.

Are you after loads for a double rifle or a Single Shot (Ruger No 1).

Post requirements or Email me, either way is fine.

500 Nitro

Jim,
Do you have the second addition?

Yes I do Ray. I looked at the load using 77gr. of IMR 4831 driving a 300 gr. bullet. Sure would like more detail as to bullet type and loads using 250 and 275, and 300 gr. A Frames or Woodleigh's.

I am comparing this to the 9.3X74. I have decided to start looking for a new/used double in one of these calibers, not sure which way to go........

Jim

Not enough difference between the .375 Flanged Magnum and the 9.3 X 74R to make the choice easy. Personally, I would choose based on the individual rifle. I prefer British doubles so would probably end up with the .375.

.375 Flanged Magnum brass is available now from Bell (Mast), but if something happened to that source I would feel stuck. It is available from a couple other sources I am aware of, but I've used brass from those sources and have not been happy. I can also remember the time when the Brits were high and behind sleeving the chambers of .375 Flanged Magnum doubles to .375 Belted Rimless because Flanged brass or ammo wasn't available at any price. I've been kind of half-assed looking for another double in .375 Flanged Magnum or .350 No. 2 lately. If I end up with the .375, I'll order several hundred cases from Bell just to be sure.

I've always had a weakness for the 9.3. It ususally makes up into a slightly trimmer rifle than the .375 and brass will always be available.

In new rifles, to me it's a toss-up. Good choice either way.
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"Serious rifles have two barrels, everything else just burns gunpowder."

JB after I had used and shot my 450 No2 and my 450/400 3 1/4 I wanted a medium bore double. I was looking for a 400/350, 360 No2, 400/360, 375 Flanged, 375 Flanged Magnum, or even a 333 Flanged. I was unable to find one. My wife picked up a Chapuis 30-06 and said " I like this rifle it is light".... So I checked into the Chapuis rifles, I already knew of the merits of the 9.3X74R. I liked what I found and got the Chapuis in 9.3. I have been very happy with it, especially the fact that it has a scope in a QD mount. It is not British, but it has been a good rifle.
P.S. Champlins has a 400/360 that looks real good.
The 375 Flanged Magnum and the 400/350 are usually found only in higher end rifles. I think any of those calibres would make a good medium bore double,the 375 NE 2 1/2" and the 400/360 would be a little light on really big stuff, but O.K. for deer, pigs and elk in the timber.

Thanks for the input. I am not to concerned about the brass availablility as Kreighoff list it as a "standard caiber". 9.3X74/375 Flanged? Sigh.......

Any more thoughts?

Jim

JB If you like the Krieghoff rifles I would handle both calibres and see which one you like the best. The 9.3 will be 1 to 1.5 lbs lighter than the 375 Flanged. Either one is a good calibre, while I really like my 9.3 the 375 would be hard to beat. I would try to find a double with a scope mount in which ever calebre you choose.

JBoutfishn: The Barnes Reloading Manual Number 3 lists loading data for the .375 Flanged Magnum. The Barnes Manual does not show case deminsions.

N E 450 No2: Have you handled the Krieghoff? Do you have an opinion of the Krieghoff safety? I'm giving a lot of thought to the 500/416. Thanks.

Buliwyf

Buliwyf.

Thanks for the post, will have to check out #3. I have a Kreighoff Classic in 470 NE. Send me an E-Mail if you would like to talk about it.

Jim

Buliwyf I have handled some Krieghoff doubles, but I have not shot one. As to their cocking system, I have a Blaser rifle which uses the same type of system, ie. it is either cocked or uncocked. After I had handled and shot the rifle a couple of times it has become second nature. After you practice with the system you will be comfortable using it. It has the advantage in that the rifle can be carried loaded [rounds in the chamber(s)] in perfect safety. I do not carry a round in the chamber(s) when I have a rifle in any type of vehicle or in a scabbard when on horse back. With the Blaser or the Krieghoff I would with the action uncocked. After using the Blaser system for a while I like it. Many accidents have occured when taking the rifle off safe or the safety is accidently "knocked off".
If the Krieghoff was going to be my only double for Africa I would probably prefer the 375 Flanged. But If I had another double of 400 cal. or larger I would give the 9.4x74R a hard look. If I was going to buy a new Krieghoff new I would think about an extra set of bbls in 7x65R [or maybe 308, I have a lot of 308 "laying" around, maybe a set of 20ga. bbls too ] I really like my Chapuis, it weighs 7.25 lbs without the scope, and handles like a custom light weight mountain rifle, wish I had extra bbls for it. I think the 9.3 is plenty enough gun for even BIG bears, lion, eland etc. I would not be afraid to take on buff or elephant with solids if my "big" double went down, or I had the 9.3 when the opportunity came. I think a scoped 9.3 double [or the 375 Flanged, heck any scoped double powerful enough with the right bullets] would be the PERFECT rifle for black bear, leopard, or lion over bait.
I intend to test that theory in June 2004.

[ 03-21-2003, 20:42: Message edited by: N E 450 No2 ]

Thank you gentlemen.

B

JBoutfishing
If you would be so kind please tell us about your experiences with your Krieghoff 470....Inquiring minds want to know.

Had an opportunity to cull some Buff in the Selous. I used the 470 on two Buff at about 50 feet. Did I mention the sweaty palms?

Now for the important stuff. The Weldcore was retrieved and I was perfectly mushroomed, and weighed 387 gr. which is 77% weight retention. The Solid was also retrieved and weighed 498 gr.

The Weldcore entered the center of the chest and was found under the skin in front of the hip. The solid had gone through the right shoulder, angled throught body and was found under the skin behind the left hip. Don't know if bone had been hit as both Buff were removed to a Village.

One thing on the Kreighoff that may not be understood is when in the cocked position, breaking the action to reload re-cockes the rifle. When not in the cocked position, opening does not. This was very important (recocking) when up close and personal with Buff. I learned dropping the stock while keeping the barrel level is the easiest way to reload under stress

Jim

Here is how to answer your question:

Both do the same things. 9.3 ammo will always be more findable then 375 flanged.

If its a european rifle, go european caliber.

If its an english rifle, go english caliber.

Its like keeping with the accent.

I go wtih 9.3 if you want a krieghoff, and a 375 flanged if you go english or american.

as to chapuis? your on your own..

JBoutfishing
Since you already have a 470 Krieghoff and are familar with the combi-cocking device I would think about the Krieghoff 9.3x74R, with a scope in a QD mount. I am really happy with my 9.3 scoped Chapuis. If I could afford it I would get an extra set of bbls on 7x65R, with scope in QD mounts, and a set of 20ga. bbls. If I knew then what I know/think now I would have got my Chapuis set up that way.

I have been searching the Web for anything in a 375 Flanged without any luck. There are many more 9.3 X 74's to be had. I looked at a Chapuis in Reno at the Chadicks booth, and I have to admit that had the length of pull been a little longer, temptation could have overcome me.

If I should be fortunate enough to win the AR Drawing for the Searcy, It will be the 375 H&H Flanged Magnum.

The anticipation of the trip is half the fun.....

Jim