Hrmm, interesting. I'd like to see how it performs in the field for a bit, but as primarily a 1911 shooter -- I HIGHLY respect Ed Brown products and Ed's attitude and committment to anything he stamps his name on.

Generally speaking, if Ed says it's good, it's good.

So Ed Brown is using Savage's CRF design?

George

While Ed Brown is more widely known as a .45 smith, I saw a lot of rifles he built as far back as the mid 70's. I own a .220 Swift that he built in about 77-78 that is on its 3rd barrel, so I'd not worry about his rifle building. I also have a Series 70 .45 that he did in about the same time period for me, I bought the gun new and he did the custom work for me for $280. His prices are a bit higher now, but nobody outside of central Mo. knew who he was then.

http://www.edbrown.com/cgi-bin/htmlos.cgi/001620.1.180419054815208458

It has taken the engineering excellence of Ed Brown
Custom to finally successfully blend the advantages of
both push feed and conventional controlled feed into
one new action - the Model 704. It's a design never
before seen on a bolt action rifle. Completely
controlled feed, but without the disadvantages of the
long extractor Mauser/Winchester design. Retaining
100% barrel threads, and complete receiver integrity,
this design offers genuine controlled feed
reliability. Plus, it still has a counterbored chamber
with the bolt partially surrounded by bolt face steel.
Our spring loaded extractor is integral with the bolt,
and rotates with it, to position the extractor under
the cartridge for full support inside the chamber,
thus placing the bullet in a perfect position for it’s
exit.

Since the age of the 1898 Mauser, there has been a
demand for the controlled feed action. Winchester has
possibly done more than anyone to promote the
advantage of the controlled feed design. When hunting
dangerous game, where feeding could be a life or death
situation, the controlled feed design has become the
choice of many professional hunters.

Of course, dangerous game guns have never required a
high degree of accuracy. One does not need a half MOA
accurate 458 for stopping a charging Buffalo at fifty
yards..

Much like reliability has been the realm of the
Mauser/Winchester controlled feed action, accuracy has
been the forte of the Remington push feed design. One
finds the Remington push feed design to be the choice
of benchrest shooters worldwide. This is due to their
extreme accuracy inherent in the round receiver push
feed design.

A Mauser/Winchester type controlled feed long
extractor requires the removal of a large portion of
the barrel threads where the extractor must go.
Removing barrel threads is not the way to the most
rigid assembly. This larger receiver cut also removes
precious metal inside the receiver which is
detrimental to the rigidity, and thus the accuracy of
the entire assembly.

The M-704 has 100% uninterrupted barrel threads in a
round receiver, for maximum rigidity and strength. Yet
our massive steel extractor allows for true controlled
feeding. Our new M-704 design couples the best designs
of both worlds, while eliminating the problem areas.
It's our finest accomplishment yet.

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Originally posted by GeorgeS:
So Ed Brown is using Savage's CRF design?

George

I looked at the picture this morning and that was the first thing that popped into my mind too!

Yawn...

Looks an awful lot like a Remington to me...

I'm not impressed.

Patriot 76,
Sako, Savage and if I am not mistaken Winchester tried a CRPF ( control round push feed) All before Ed Brown. Nothing really is new.

quote:

Originally posted by GeorgeS:
So Ed Brown is using Savage's CRF design?

George

Even if it is a copy of the Savage CRF, it is still better than a push feed, if it works!

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Originally posted by .366torque:
Patriot 76,
Sako, Savage and if I am not mistaken Winchester tried a CRPF ( control round push feed) All before Ed Brown. Nothing really is new.

.366torque, The pictures in the web page are not real clear, but this seems to be a true CRF with the rim slideing under the extractor as it leaves the magazine, exactly the same as the Mauser. The only difference, I can see from the pictures, is the extractor is very short, and loaded by an internal spring,probably coil, rather than a long leaf spring like the Mauser, and it's clones. I see what seems to be a cut in the bolt face, for a solid ejector, and that alone is an upgrade over a PF, plunger type ejector. I would love to see some detailed drawings of this CRF system, or, in fact, a rifle in my hands!