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What is the difference? Is the 11/87 cheaper or better? There is a great price difference. | ||
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The 11-87 is hands down the best shotgun I've ever owned as far as getting the job done (and I own pricey doubles also). It's the only auto loader I have any interest in owning. Mine is one of the first sold in my state. Tens of thousands of rounds thru it, trap, quail, pheasant, ducks, geese, turkey, and so on. I even have a rifle sights slug barrel for it. And Rem has been great on it. They've furnished me with several free parts over the decades when things have worn out. Also owned 1100s. They're sound guns. But, the 11-87 (named after 1987, the year it came out) is better. Better wood, screw in choke system and it'll handle 2 3/4 and 3" interchangeably. The 1100 wouldn't do that. You could get lucky and find an 1100 magnum 3" that would also handle 2 3/4" but that was the exception. The 11-87 also came in two versions, parkerized Special Purpose and Premier with nicer, dressier look and finish. I bought an SP and traded it for the Premier. I don't know on current prices, but for prices on used, check GB. For new, check the retailers. That info's out there and real easy to come by. | |||
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I have owned an 11-87 since 1987 an it is probably one of the best auto loading shotguns ever produced. Will shoot anything interchangably from 2 3/4" 1 oz target and dove/quail loads to 3" heavy goose loads. Mine refused to cock once while duck hunting. I removed the trigger group with a nylon comb and rinsed our the rice straw, mud and muck and the gun functioned flawlessly for the rest of the hunt. Got home and squirted some WD-40 on it and it was good to go for the rest of the season. I bought a used 11-87 last week at a gun show for $450 it was in perfect shape but all black, not walnut and blue. The only flaw in the wood stocked guns is that the fore end is very thin near the receiver. I put a fiberglass patch inside the fore end when mine cracked after 20 years. I've owned several 1100's in the past and they feel good, point good and look good but they aren't very versitile (ammunition wise) in my opinion and not as rugged as the 11-87 Don't ask me what happened, when I left Viet Nam, we were winning. | |||
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Depends. I have had both 1100's and a early 11-87. Both the 1100's and 11-87 ran OK but the 11-87 is significantly heavier. Remington has tried to kill the 1100 line for some time but demand brings it back. Ken DRSS, PP Chapter Life NRA Life SCI Life DSC | |||
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Neither, buy a Beretta. Either a used 303, a 390, 391, or a 3901. The A400 is a great shotgun but pricey. Their new A300 Outlander is a pretty good deal, so is a 3901, either of which you could find for around $500 if you shop around. I hung up the Remingtons and started shooting Beretta semi autos 25 years ago, they've been trouble free and have seen heavy use. | |||
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As to the Gentleman's question, I'd second the 11-87. The 1100, the 11-87, and all the Beretta models are very good guns. Very good. Be happy to own one. All of them are superior to any auto loader Browning ever put out. But.........go Benelli. IMHO, and I respect any and all differing opinions, Benelli makes the best auto loader. Guns are like women. Especially shotguns. Each one fills a different need, at a different moment, for a different reason. Yet, they are all beautiful in their own way. Pick up a really fine one and you'll know what I mean. Eventually, though, we all settle on just one............ 114-R10David | |||
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I know that the 1100 and 11/87 don't do too well with reloads. They also won't hold up well to 1000's of round through them. DRSS Searcy 470 NE | |||
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I am a old fart but I think the first generation M-1100 are better than the newer M11-87. First generation, being pre Rem chokes 1100s. I have never had a problem with a 3inch 1100 digesting 2.75 trap or skeet loads when used with a 2.75 barrel. One of the tricks to keep a 1100 running is to chrome plate the gas rings and replace the gas seal every 5000 rds. This is based on running the largest Military Skeet and Trap range in the Pacific, Clark AB. This is not to say that 1100s do not wear out, but it takes a lot of rounds, and we shot a lot of low quality reloads. WD-40 is the last lube to use on an 1100. Yackman | |||
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Take a look at the shotgun used by the skeet shooting legend D. Lee Braun. He used a plain vanilla 1100. I suppose it was a skeet model. I think he shot some where around 1/2 million registered skeet targets. That is a 4 gun competition even so he gave each gun a work out. I have shot the 878 Reminton which was the predicessor to the 1100. I once owned an early 11-87 but the early guns were among the first Remingtons with screw in chokes and the barrels were very heavy. I shot a Winchester Super X-1 and a Smith & Wesson (Kowa of Japan)1000 Skeet Gun (20 ga) more than either of the Remingtons. I prefer the Winchester first, then the Kowa, then the 1100. I used them in skeet shooting about 10 years. I also shot Howa 12 & 20 ga model 3000 pump guns a lot. The autoloaders above all had 2 3/4" chambers. The 2 pumpguns both had 3 in mag chambers and I never thought they patterned as well with the 2 3/4 inch shells as did the shorter chambered guns. | |||
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Prior to the ban on lead shot I used to load Winchester AA hulls that I thought were on their last time around with 1 3/8 oz of #5 shot that left the muzzle at 1330 fps. I shot several thousand of these reloads through my 11-87 without any problems, failure to eject or failure to feed not-with-standing. I would load the hulls several times for trap shooting and when I thought the hull was good for one more round I would use it for my waterfowl load. I have never had any problems shooting reloads in my 11-87. I now shoot only 3" for ducks and do not reload since the ban on lead shot. Don't ask me what happened, when I left Viet Nam, we were winning. | |||
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I have been shooting 1100's on the trap field for years.. Started with one, it crushes targets so I see no need to replace it. It eats 1 1/8 AA 7 1/2s reloaded all day long and has no problem at all with 7/8th 1300 Fiocci bunker loads. It shoots very softly.. That being said, I have a Zoli 28 ga for birds..... | |||
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What Shack said I got one in 1988 and have hardly used anything else except for turkey and waterfowl. Only failed to cycle one reload that was so out of round it wouldn't have worked in anything. My 1100 is second best now.
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Really??? When I shot skeet ( all 4 guages ) I re-loaded tripla A hulls until they split and all four of the 1100's I shot ate a BUNCH of 'em. My first 1100 a 12 Guage bought for my Grandad and which I relieved him of (  ) at the age of 11 has prolly got 10,000 rounds through it. Yep I broke an extractor bar and have changed O rings a few times but it is still rrockin' an rollin'. The 1187? Just a better 1100. Benelli? Better by stock in 3 in 1 oil. You know....if they put a good oil pump and filter on those SBEs they might be all right..... 1100 and 1187 shoot dry, much better in a waterfowl gun, despite the hype. Debris doesn't stick to dry surfaces, but it sure cakes up on oily ones. Oil don't mix well with water either. JMHO........ . | |||
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Jim Yackley and RonE have it together on the 1100. One of the things found out was that WD-40 could end up causing more problems than it solved. Break Free worked better. Polishing the magazine tube and gas ring ensured smoother functioning. On Benelli/Beretta vs Rems. When tested side by side, the Remington autoloaders proved time and time again to have less recoil. .395 Family Member DRSS, po' boy member Political correctness is nothing but liberal enforced censorship | |||
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Yep on the 11-87, definite thumbs down on WD40. I use Remoil. | |||
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I beg to differ as far as the 11/87 is concerned. My PD had 5 of these Police versions...they see heavy use for the last 12 years and have performed perfectly. | |||
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I prefer the 11-87. I own an 11-48 mohawk, 1100 and 3 11-87's in 12 ga. I have never had any issues with any of them if the gun was clean. Reloads, no problem if properly assembled. The 11-87 I use the most is a Sporting Clays gun from the early 80's. Good designed buttstock with good factory pad and 2 shot tube instead of 4 shot. We are restricted to 3 rounds in the gun, so the shorter tube makes it lighter and quicker to swing. | |||
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It has been my experience with an 11-87 purchased in 1991 that it is a very good although heavy waterfowl gun. I have had a lot of problems with the magazine shell stop. Not sure if that is the correct name for the part but it is a stamped steel piece pinned to the receiver wall opposite the loading port. It keeps the third shell from exiting as the gun is cycling. I have broked the tip that actually holds the shell in the magazine at least 5 times. The receiver has got to the point that more metal cannot be peened over to hold another one. My gunsmith said it may be due to high velocity steel loads. I have since put the 11-87 in the closet and purchased a Maxxus. Always liked the Rem but I couldn't risk it breaking again and not being able to fix it, at least not for the cost of the cheap part anyway. NoCAL | |||
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SPEKTR?? Ever at Hurlburt or Duke Field?
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