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Parker Trojan 12 GA 26 inch (Pics added)
20 December 2014, 12:08
FrostbitParker Trojan 12 GA 26 inch (Pics added)
Serial number 180xxx. Nice case colors. Just received it as a gift from an ex-boss. I know little about these guns.
Please enlighten me.
Cheers
Jim
21 December 2014, 14:47
max(hm2)what I know may or may not be true as I am not a parker aficionado. the trojan was the farmers tractor gun. it was meant to be a utility grade gun. I believe the action is even different from other parkers like the sterlingworth is different than the standard fox's. I would have the chamber length checked and if it locks up tight and is on face go use it. it is a little odd that the barrels are 26 inches. not that it was unheard of for guns of that time period but longer barrels were more popular.
22 December 2014, 00:49
Frostbitquote:
Originally posted by max(hm2):
what I know may or may not be true as I am not a parker aficionado. the trojan was the farmers tractor gun. it was meant to be a utility grade gun. I believe the action is even different from other parkers like the sterlingworth is different than the standard fox's. I would have the chamber length checked and if it locks up tight and is on face go use it. it is a little odd that the barrels are 26 inches. not that it was unheard of for guns of that time period but longer barrels were more popular.
Thanks for the reply. From what I could find on the web looks like they offered 26, 28, and 30 inch barrels on the trojan. This one dates to 1919 by serial number and has the Doll's Head which disappeared in 1920 from what I read.
Seems good and tight and the person that gave it to me said he used it regularly 20 years ago.
I know little about "chokes" or shotguns at all for that matter so I'm trying to learn what I can.
Cheers
Jim
23 December 2014, 23:02
ShackFrostbit, check proofhouse's site and the serial will confirm that build date. And be careful it's not Damascus barrels - makes an enormous difference on what the gun's worth. Take it to a gunsmith and he can tell for sure what kind of steel (you can't always just go by what it says on the barrel - some were very creative at covering up "Damascus" with "Vulcan Steel") and the smith will measure the bores and tell you exactly what constriction. There shouldn't be any charge.
I'd also test fire a whole box and make sure the safety works OK and no double discharge and no trying to open on you when fired. Those can be problems in the old guns if heavy past use. And fixable but very pricy. I know.
Being a 26" (and assuming it's not been chopped, which many have) it'll no doubt be open or bird chokes. Cylinder and improved cylinder or something similar. And by bird, I mean quail and the like. An old duck gun will be longer in the barrel and tighter chokes. Full and full, or full and modified.
So it sounds like a bird gun to me.
Also, check out this thread -
http://parkerguns.org/forums/a...index.php?t-526.html. And you can delve into what frame your gun is built on -
http://parkerguns.org/forums/showthread.php?t=9114. You'll find that all interesting to learn.
And shoot mainly lead shot in it. No steel shot. But I'm sure you know that.
And like Max said, the Trojan was the bottom of the line, but it's still a really fine example of old time collectible U.S. shotguns. And it IS a collectible. It'd be worth what I'd call serious money, provided it's not beaten up.
I'd be proud of owning it. I love the ones I have and have had. I even have one built on a 20 ga frame that's a double rifle...but that's a another story...
..btw, this short edit in response to Cal's comment on shooting smokeless in Damascus...I did the exact same thing in my GH Parker with heavy duck loads. I had one shot I even paced off outa the blind at 80 yds. I even remember the load data for it. BUT, I cut that out and do NOT recommend it. A gunsmith told me though that low brass bird loads (supposedly but not necessarily low pressure) should not be a problem. But in any event after thinking it over, I decided to not even go there again...simple matter of making our own choices..
23 December 2014, 23:48
cal pappasFrostbit:
If you need them, I have a chamber length gauge and choke gauges. I will be in the city Friday and can drop them off at Brett's office.
For the record, I've been shooting my Damascus barrels rifles and shotguns with smokeless powder for 25 years.
Cal
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04 January 2015, 00:59
Frostbitquote:
Originally posted by Shack:
Frostbit, check proofhouse's site and the serial will confirm that build date. And be careful it's not Damascus barrels - makes an enormous difference on what the gun's worth. Take it to a gunsmith and he can tell for sure what kind of steel (you can't always just go by what it says on the barrel - some were very creative at covering up "Damascus" with "Vulcan Steel") and the smith will measure the bores and tell you exactly what constriction. There shouldn't be any charge.
I'd also test fire a whole box and make sure the safety works OK and no double discharge and no trying to open on you when fired. Those can be problems in the old guns if heavy past use. And fixable but very pricy. I know.
Being a 26" (and assuming it's not been chopped, which many have) it'll no doubt be open or bird chokes. Cylinder and improved cylinder or something similar. And by bird, I mean quail and the like. An old duck gun will be longer in the barrel and tighter chokes. Full and full, or full and modified.
So it sounds like a bird gun to me.
Also, check out this thread -
http://parkerguns.org/forums/a...index.php?t-526.html. And you can delve into what frame your gun is built on -
http://parkerguns.org/forums/showthread.php?t=9114. You'll find that all interesting to learn.
And shoot mainly lead shot in it. No steel shot. But I'm sure you know that.
And like Max said, the Trojan was the bottom of the line, but it's still a really fine example of old time collectible U.S. shotguns. And it IS a collectible. It'd be worth what I'd call serious money, provided it's not beaten up.
I'd be proud of owning it. I love the ones I have and have had. I even have one built on a 20 ga frame that's a double rifle...but that's a another story...
..btw, this short edit in response to Cal's comment on shooting smokeless in Damascus...I did the exact same thing in my GH Parker with heavy duck loads. I had one shot I even paced off outa the blind at 80 yds. I even remember the load data for it. BUT, I cut that out and do NOT recommend it. A gunsmith told me though that low brass bird loads (supposedly but not necessarily low pressure) should not be a problem. But in any event after thinking it over, I decided to not even go there again...simple matter of making our own choices..
Shack,
Sorry but I missed your post earlier. Thank you very much for the information and time you took to write it. I love researching and learning new things and did have a plan to consider eventually getting a SxS double trigger shotgun for trigger practice while learning to shoot targets. Thought it would make for good training getting ready to use the double in Africa this year.
You may very well be correct about this gun being a "Quail" gun in that the gentleman that gave it to me used it 30 years ago for such.
I will be having it gone over by an "expert" friend in about a week when he returns to Alaska. I'll update you on the findings.
Cheers and Happy New Year
Jim
04 January 2015, 09:52
Frostbit
04 January 2015, 09:53
Frostbit
04 January 2015, 09:54
Frostbit
08 January 2015, 07:35
lavacaCan't seem to locate my Parker books at the moment. The Trojan was more of a workhorse gun than the other models, but it sure sounds like a nice shotgun to me. I'd shoot it.
I still shoot my Parker manufactured in 1917, although only with reduced loads now, until I have the barrels re-soldered.
I think you've got a gem.
08 December 2016, 20:05
fla3006Appears to have been refinished.
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10 December 2016, 20:32
Ole Miss GuyThese guns are not safe. I will buy it for $20 just to protect you. Shipping would be your cost.