That may be by the 12th of never. A 12 is just too big for upland.

Shawn

I have owned three Ruger Red Labels and have found them to be excellent shotguns. I have heard horror stories but have not experienced anything negative myself. Then again, you can read horror stories on any gun you care to look into. Hearsay abounds on the net.

I am very interested in the new Gold Label, but I'm skeptical vis-a-vis the gun's weight, particularly noting the weight of the 12 gauge Red Label and the fact that it's supposed to have three inch chambers. A London best it ain't, but with a street price that should (I hope) hover around $1400 or (better yet) lower, it may actually do quite well. I know I plan to check them out when they hit the shelves.

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"Ruger and their new SxS. Pretty little gun. Weight about 6.75 lbs in 12 ga. Jury is still out for me on this one as this was their prototype and it really wiggled around when the action was open. Barrels could be struck better. Action flats had lightening cuts all the way through to the cocking rods. Stock dimensions seemed none too bad. "

If they had the prototype at the Las Vegas Show, my guess is that production is still a ways off.

Chuck Graber

I think that you ought to check out the real reason that skeet shooters don't use the Ruger O/U. It doesn't have anything to do with quality. The Ruger will move to the second barrel on doubles regardless. I'm not a skeet shooter but if I think if there is a misfire on the first barrel, then you can't shoot the second, on most guns, meaning you get them over. With the Ruger you get the second shot. There was something in Shotgun Sports or some other magazine about this a couple of months back. I think that's why you don't see them used. I doubt that it has anything to do with inconsistent quality. My Ruger O/U has worked flawlessly. I'm not familiar with skeet rules so I'm not sure what imapct it has. If the first shot doesn't go and the second does, what happens ?

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The Rugers do not have the quality feel in the trigger (crisp and light) that many skeeters are looking for. They have also suffered with some QA problems from time to time that have been taken care of by their excellent service department. However, with the amounts of money in Trap, Skeet, and Sporting Clays tournaments that is on the line, you don't want to have to send the gun off to the manufacturer if it malfunctions half way through the weekend.

Bill Ruger was one of the original supporters of Sporting Clays when it started in the US. He put up a number of Red Label shotguns as prizes in the early years. I think that it is a bit of a shame the shooters have migrated away from the Rugers in the last decade or so, but Beretta, Browning, Kreighoff and a few others have simply given tournament shooters better tools for clay target shooting.

Ruger has taken a bum rap for its' easy opening feature simply because it feels to many older and experienced shooters like a gun that is worn out and loose.

By the way, I am an avid Sporting Clays and Skeet shooter. I do not compete in tournaments but very often shoot practice with tournament shooters.

Chuck Graber

Daryl

Thanks for the info and setting me straight. I just skimmed the article in question and maybe missed the point. I will agree on the Ruger trigger comment. There are companies that have made money selling gunsmithing and after market trigger stuff for Ruger pistols and rifles.

I am not a skeet shooter but plan to try it this year. I bought a used Red Label for that and some grouse hunting.

Actually I am a Browning fan. I got a good deal on the Ruger and planned using it mainly as a hunting gun. I thought I'd try skeet, and if I liked it, buying a dedicated skeet gun, most likely a Browning.

My main point is that plenty of people knock Ruger, but if not for Bill Ruger, I think there are a lot of people that would not be shooting now. He makes a reliable and affordable gun. I don't like to see people question Ruger's reliability.

BTW I'm going to check my Citori. I'm pretty sure it does not have a mechanical trigger. I can't speak for the other brands that you mentioned.

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BTW use snap caps to dry fire your gun. Broke firing pins are a B!#@h.

Chuck Graber

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Originally posted by Paladin:
Did anyone notice? Ruger has just announced a new side-by-side double 12ga., quite nice if the picture can be believed --and the price is a modest $1,995.00 ...a mere pittance.

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I love side by sides but would have a difficult time buying a Ruger based on my veterinian's and my hunting partner's experience with the Red Label. My hunting partner's has misfired five times with less than 100 rounds. He won't take it hunting because of that and uses a Benelli with the same shells that misfire in the Ruger without problems. My vet has had to send his back to Ruger more than once (forget exactly why) but says he'll never again own a Red Label.

It's too bad about the reputation, I really like Ruger products and love the side by side!

I've never had a misfire in skeet, clays, or the bird field and would have no reservation about giving that SxS a go. (wife has serious reservations, however we won't go there)

cheers, Mike

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Originally posted by Chuck Graber:
Slick,
Your Citori has an inertial trigger. You can only dry fire it once by pulling the trigger. Then you have to slap the recoil pad to reset the trigger or move the barrel selector.

BTW use snap caps to dry fire your gun. Broke firing pins are a B!#@h.

Chuck Graber

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Don't slap the thing on the butt, just close the gun. Move your saftey from fire to safe and back again. Pull the trigger. This will set the second barrel. Try it... Mark