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http://sportschutters.kicks-ass.net/albums/userpics/normal_kop1_2.jpg

[ 07-20-2003, 00:19: Message edited by: Selzhanik ]

First of all, it would be helpful to post lower-res images - for those of us not on broadband, accessing your pictures takes an age!

Secondly, the key information required to identify a cartridge (apart from the calibre) is the exact length of the cartridge case (not the whole cartridge) and the rim diameter. That is sufficient to identify most cartridges. Without this information, we can only guess.

Tony Williams: Military gun and ammunition website and Discussion forum

[ 07-18-2003, 13:55: Message edited by: Tony Williams ]

Sorry, I specifically posted the link instead of the direct picture for the lowband users..

Left total length 76mm, caselength � 54mm; head 7,8mm (�)...

Right one : total length 74.8mm, head 8.2mm; case 50,4mm , very "conical".

Stamps :
(warning : high resolution)

Left:
http://sportschutters.kicks-ass.net/albums/userpics/normal_kop2_a.jpg

Right:
http://sportschutters.kicks-ass.net/albums/userpics/normal_kop1_a.jpg

Just blowing air out of my clinton here, but those look to me like something made in India or Egypt around the turn of the century up to maybe the early 1920s. Pure speculation...

[ 07-19-2003, 05:04: Message edited by: rootbeer ]

I see that Tony is on line right now, and is probably posting as I type.
I'll address the easy one. The 8x50R Lebel is listed as having a 16,1mm diameter rim (flange), a base of 13,79mm (sometimes referred as the "head")diameter, a double taper to the case and a shoulder of 11,6mm, and a neck and mouth of 8,89mm diameter.
The rim thickness is 2,0mm, the neck length is 41.81mm and the overall case is 50,7mm long.
This from Dr. Howell's _..Custom Cartridges .._.
The deep cannelure around the primer is characteristic of this cartridge and the two Carcano cartridges. Here it, the double taper and the rounded base were supposed to prevent the pointed bullet from igniting the primer of the cartridge ahead of it in the tubular magazine.
_Cartridges of the World_ states that the cartridge was adopted in 1886 and superseded in 1929 by the rimless 7,5x54mm MAS.
The left cartridge, the 8x54, might it be the Krag-Jorgenson?
I surmise the cartridge in the first image MAY be a sporting round, but I'll keep looking. We need dimentions. The bullet is quite different. Is it two-piece?
Cheers from Darkest California,
Ross

[ 07-19-2003, 07:31: Message edited by: Ross ]

I don't have any idea on the "DSC..." image - nor did you provide dimensions for it?

On the second image, the item on the right is the 8x50 Lebel as previously identified, the one on the left is also french, the 7.5x54 MAS. The french headstamp style is distinctive for the multiple arsenal codes - one arsenal produces the casing while another (usually) loads the round. Your MAS round is an early one.

Oh MY GOD... now I understand... the first image "DSC.." is the wrong picture... sorry...
it was not for this post. 100 X SORRY..

8 mm Lebel
RS , Rennes, in Britanny where it was made
D, Douai, northern France , brass supplier
2 40 , 2nd quarter 1940

7.5 mm MAS
VS , Versailles , very rare
S, S�rifontaine , brass supplier
Date, see above

For your researches

in French

http://www.webmaestru.net/forum/index.php?site=webmaestrunet

in English

http://www.gunboards.com/forums/UltraBoard.cgi?action=Headlines&BID=14&SID=1089620

[ 08-01-2003, 21:10: Message edited by: Edmond ]

links don't work anymore.