What do yall think?

As to how long it takes; once it starts, it will be like a house of cards or a stack of dominos. At that point, a reversal would be statistically damn near impossible. As to what would be the trigger, we need not look further than our history books. The collapse of every society has been thus: It started with the warrior ethic + then became complacent + allowed corruption + favoritism to find its way into the higher levels of power. "It's good to be king." The Roman example is a very good one to follow for various reasons, starting with we are a Republic as well as a vast majority of our laws stem from Roman Law. So how does one go about destroying a society? Rot from within, political malfeasece, open borders with NO accountability,a difference of laws between the rich + the poor. + let us not forget the big one; overtaxation to feather the nests of the anointed few at the expense of the prolotariat.

That is a question a lot of people would like the answer to.

A lot depends on the area, the population and the weather.

The cause of the problem ect.

If we are talking a major country wide disaster.

Like a nuclear war, even then how many strikes how much damage.

A EMP attack that wipes out 90 percent of the power grid.

I give the major urban areas a week for full scale social problems. The inner/ghetto's areas well go up in hours, a day or two.

They have been trained well to take advantage of this type of things.

How far and fast does it spread depends on how the transportation system is.

It well take about that long for people just to figure out what is going on.

How are the communication net works, how fast does the word spread.

The further one lives out in the boonies the longer it well take.

The more time to organizes.

When one does the math on the food and fuel supplies.

They are quickly used up if the mob rules. A lot of it well be wasted. As most would have no idea how to preserve a lot of it.

A lot would destroy future supplies for relief today.

Instead of saving seed grains eat them up.

Instead of saving breeding live stock eat them up.

Political turmoil hours, days, weeks, months, years.

Take your pick you can write a book on how and what the situation demands.

I hear folks say they have enough food for a year plus hunting. What then? When it runs out,? Can you make flour? Salt? What's folks going to do? Maybe one or two people tries to take your stuff, maybe a horde. It could get lively? 10's of thousands rounds of ammo bunch of guns...probably not going to be needed. Won't take long one way or the other. Maybe just what you have on you or in your auto all that you have for a while. Will be interesting. Yep, I agree, we are following the path of Rome.

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Originally posted by Jerry Fisk:
I hear folks say they have enough food for a year plus hunting. What then? When it runs out,? Can you make flour? Salt? What's folks going to do? Maybe one or two people tries to take your stuff, maybe a horde. It could get lively? 10's of thousands rounds of ammo bunch of guns...probably not going to be needed. Won't take long one way or the other. Maybe just what you have on you or in your auto all that you have for a while. Will be interesting. Yep, I agree, we are following the path of Rome.

There is a solution. Sadly humans are addicted to normalcy bias. There are likely several solutions. but I agree most "so called" preppers are doomed. Their biggest obstacle is breaking away from what is preached on internet forums. Current prepping theory is fatally flawed.

Most Americans would not survive something like an EMP disaster. They simply have no skills anymore.

When you look at history, these things are "black swan" events that could not be predicted, and happened so quickly, the coconuts in charge were taken completely by surprise.

I offer Dementia Joe’s ideas on how long the American propped Afghanistan Government would last. Dementia Joe really thought it would hold together long enough, that he would not look stupid after it fell.

Opps!

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Most Americans would not survive something like an EMP disaster. They simply have no skills anymore.

There are many rapid development events most will be lucky to suffer through. A lesson Europe is rapidly learning.

The "ugly" truth is that Russia has Europe by the "gonads". They have trapped themselves into destruction, from energy dependency from Russia. China has America and Europe by the "gonads". They both have positioned themselves Fatally dependent on powerful suppliers. The method of destabilizing a country, perfected by the CIA, is super high inflation, approaching hyperinflation. They did it by printing the countries currency and puking it into the urban environments. As soon as China choses to inflate the cost of exports 17% using their energy crises as justification. It is game over. 17% will lead to 31% which will lead to 42% which will lead to 63%.

Europe has "no" way out of being energy dependent on Russia. The world is addicted to cheap everything from China.

America attempted to inflict pain on Russia, with endless sanctions. And it worked. But Russia outflanked America. Now Russia and China can just keep escalating up the inflation, in Europe and America. There will be no way out but for extreme financial failure, civil unrest, and "WAR". It will not really matter who "wins" the war. The damage will have been wrought.

And THIS is only one "baked into the cake" nightmare for humanity. EMP and CME are maybe's. Hyperinflation is unavoidable now.

It's my understanding that fuel prices here in the US are supposed to raise tremendously for the winter. Glad I burn wood!

With what I see being charged (in grocery stores) and how fast prices are rising I think people are going to have a rough time this winter. Buy food or pay the heat bill? Hmm.

Ann, that has been a quandry for the elderly in the past; pay for food or your meds. Now add utilities to that. I have central heat but I also have my wood stoves + Consolidated Dutchwest gas heaters as well. Backup never hurts. And you are correct that most these days have no skills. I feel for those in the cities. I live way out in the country ( but not so far any more as they are moving my way) but even that does not make me immune. As to the gold + silver standard, that does have it's place while there is still semblance of order + society. The ammo factory as a trade item is much more realistic. We have always known that but these last 2 years have reinforced that belief through the covid + the Dem "victory" as we have seen the price of ammo (unavailable) + components (overpriced). It does appear to be leveling out on ammo availability but the prices are still far escalated. I'm reminded of the opening scene in one of the John Wayne movies when the evil Mexican bandito asks him if he brought them gold, No., Silver then?, No, just lead.

The Socialist's have been building a Trojan Horse in this country for 50 years. It became visual when Obama took office. It has become more evident with Biden. A standing Immigrant Army within the horse. We just don't know when they are going to open the door.

I think it is going to be soon.

Well, they've damned sure got a sxxtpot full of them down on the border right now. Bring em in, give them food + lodging, free college too I hear, + they will vote Democrat from now on. Like the saying goes, "Where are we + what am I doing in this handbasket?"

Ann, as you said, viable skills. This was brought to mind again last night when a buddy called to ask me about attaching copper to stainless steel in order to make a water distillery to use his stock tank water to make it potable. He says that it's legal for companies to sell stills; it's only illegal for you to own it. "Catch 22". Clean water + yes alcohol would be in great demand. History has shown that the worse times get the better hooch moves. Clean water too, but that hasn't been a problem to America in the past, not really. I have no intention of making anything illegal (while it's still illegal) but as previously stated, I have the skills. Just one more thing to watch for by the regular populace that have already made the statement after seeing my loading room; "This is where we're going!" Now water purification as well ? I think not.