I know the large majority of people do not prepare at all.

It is hard to get people to have more then a couple days of food in the homes.

I have people all the time say I'll just come to your house.

I tell them only if you bring food, guns and women/LOL.

I don't run a welfare state.

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Originally posted by p dog shooter:

Having the proper mind set is very important.

You roll with your mine set. I'll roll with seven decades of "quality" training and 39'ish years of professional hunting, and having spent six months alone in the Alaska wilderness, with zero human contact.

"Mind set" is not to be underrated, it has good value. But I say "Boots in the FIELD" experience is my ace in the hole. As a professional "Commercial" pilot......I am 100% clear that nothing "Trumps" practice-practice-practice-practice. Especially when the SHTF.

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I have people all the time say I'll just come to your house.

I always tell them that that might be a very fatal mistake on their part.

I've had them say that too, + even more so when they have seen my loading room. I don't advertise it but having been here for quite some time, old-timers know that I load a bit.

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Originally posted by Use Enough Gun:

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I have people all the time say I'll just come to your house.

I always tell them that that might be a very fatal mistake on their part.

Yeah, I too have the gaggle of people who just think they can show up. I tell them there is a reason I keep the pond turtles a little hungry here. You should see the looks I get.

These types are also the ones who are anti hunters, non gunners, sit in front of the TV all day, etc.

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I think the most possible type of SHTF situation is the loss of the power grid for an extended period of time. In fact, that happens a lot. This past winter was a real eye opener and another reminder. The question is, will/do people learn from these things?

But for what reason.

A storm comes through a area. The rest of the country comes with aid.

If it is really bad a few months without power.

But food and other supplies can be gotten.

Is it a PITA for that time without power for sure.

If it is country wide power outage caused by solar fare, EMP attack or other act of war.

Then things are a lot different.

Will people learn some will most well not.

Most people think they WILL be rescued. Honestly, I think the country is very fortunate that others will do such for them. In many places around the world you are for sure on your own.

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The question is, will/do people learn from these things?

Most well do nothing.

Yep, the grasshopper will just get back out his fiddle.

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You roll with your mine set. I'll roll with seven decades of "quality" training and 39'ish years of professional hunting, and having spent six months alone in the Alaska wilderness, with zero human contact.

All that experience and training allows one to have the proper mind set.

Without the proper mind set one doesn't get the training take the time to learn the skills necessary.

They are not exclusive of each other.

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Originally posted by p dog shooter:

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You roll with your mine set. I'll roll with seven decades of "quality" training and 39'ish years of professional hunting, and having spent six months alone in the Alaska wilderness, with zero human contact.

All that experience and training allows one to have the proper mind set.

Without the proper mind set one doesn't get the training take the time to learn the skills necessary.

They are not exclusive of each other.

OK....a valid point.

To the original point, if one lives in a wilderness area, caching can be reasonable, but reading old literature seems to indicate more than a few old sourdoughs got in trouble when they depended on their cache and some animal got in it.

My biggest concern with caches is security. If you can find it, some one or thing else can find it.

Are you going to defend the preplaced stuff (especially if it’s on public land) from other needing folks?

For all the SHTF stuff, as I see it, your biggest obstacle will be actually knowing when social order actually has gone and the law of the gun is all that is left.

You start shooting the “marauding” hungry metro types to protect your long term supplies, you had better be right that social order has irredeemably broken down. The community will execute you and take away from your family for shooting to not share if it’s only a few weeks of problems and not really the end of the world as we know it.

I frankly don’t know too many who could shoot or refuse to feed a starving 5 year old- many say that they could situationally, but how does one KNOW when that situation has occurred? So how does one deal with the situation early on before it’s obvious, yet keep yourself able to deal with an unknown problem?

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Originally posted by crbutler:
To the original point, if one lives in a wilderness area, caching can be reasonable, but reading old literature seems to indicate more than a few old sourdoughs got in trouble when they depended on their cache and some animal got in it.

TURE......which is why, I had 36 caches spread over 55 or 60 miles, with supplies for several years.

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Originally posted by Alaskan Sourdough:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
To the original point, if one lives in a wilderness area, caching can be reasonable, but reading old literature seems to indicate more than a few old sourdoughs got in trouble when they depended on their cache and some animal got in it.

TURE......which is why, I had 36 caches spread over 55 or 60 miles, with supplies for several years.

Have shared this information with a trusted friend.

So when you die it doesn't all go to waste.

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You start shooting the “marauding” hungry metro types to protect your long term supplies, you had better be right that social order has irredeemably broken down. The community will execute you and take away from your family for shooting to not share if it’s only a few weeks of problems and not really the end of the world as we know it.

I frankly don’t know too many who could shoot or refuse to feed a starving 5 year old- many say that they could situationally, but how does one KNOW when that situation has occurred? So how does one deal with the situation early on before it’s obvious, yet keep yourself able to deal with an unknown problem?

That has always been the problem/question.

When well one known.

Very situational for sure.

In a country wide disaster there well be a time period when every body is trying to figure out what is going on.

In the summer or non sever winter area. That time period could be weeks.

In severe winter weather things are going to get tough and desperate a lot faster. In minus zero conditions.


With out power it is only days for house to freeze up. Unless one has a good alterative heat source. That does not need electricity to run.

Like a freestanding wood stove or non electric LP or oil heater space heater..

That gives time for information gathering.

Creating alliances with family, friends and neighbors.

Hopefully you have some.

Because a lone household can not stand for long.

There are many factors in determining how long it takes for things to break down.

Do you live in a major city. Do you live in easy walking distance of one.

One sees cities erupting now when thing are not bad. In a true country wide disaster. Things in the cities well get bad fast.

Most likely less then a week until they start expanding out wards.

You better have your neighborhood patrols and alliances formed up.