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I'm heading to Kyrgyz to hunt ibex during the first part of february and am looking for some advice on what to wear. I am mostly concerned about gloves, pants and jackets. What type of layering did you find helpful or one single layer garment? Peter Andersen Peak Wildlife Adventures 1-306-485-8429 peakwildlifeadventures@hotmail.com www.peakwildlifeadventures.com | ||
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LayerS are important as they allow you to be deverse. I would look at Barney's Sports Chalet in Anchorage. Their Brooks Range coat with hood and pant would be a good start for outer insulated gear. Mountain Equipment makes a great mit/glove combo I like for cold weather. -33 makes fabulous base layers. I would talk to the outfitter to understand the weather and then talk to Bob the owner. He will hook you up. Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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Do you know what the altitude is, and average temps? I have been very cold at 20, and very warm at -30. Wind chill (obviously), altitude and humidity seem to have more effect on how cold you perceive it than the actual temp does. Had a lot of very cold nights in Afghanistan at 8500 feet down to -20, but it didn't take much clothing to be warm, and we didn't have much wind. Same is true in the Arctic in Alaska, had days were we were outside in Northern Outfitters suits at -50 and were warm. Excepting our hands. Because we were shooting. The coldest I have ever been was in Maine in the winter at 20 above with a fairly stiff wind. Humidity killed me. You might not need actual mountaineering boots, but the plastic boots by Koflach and Scarpa are much warmer than wearing something that doesn't have good edges for steep terrain like Danner Canadian which are almost as warm. I used to have a pair of Koflach Alaska hunters, but they got destroyed in our move to Australia. I just looked and it doesn't appear that they make them anymore. They were warm, but high altitude and the wind you could experience might not be enough. I'd talk to your outfitter find out how cold it could get, then talk to a good mountaineering company like Northern Outdoor Leadership School and find out what they would recommend. Call the one in Lander, Wyoming and ask to speak to someone who has Asian mountaineering experience, tell them you are doing a hike in Asia in February. There are a lot of save the world Eco-Weenies that work for NOLS, some are ok with hunting and some aren't. Best not to stir the pot by asking an anti. You probably don't need boots for Everest, but most really warm hunting boots are crap on serious vertical. Another consideration is are you going to be horseback? Some boots will not work with saddle sturups. | |||
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My outfitter says that it is supposed to be around -20 celsius. I am unsure of the elevation but am sure 8500 ft. will be a good starting point. The hunt will be mostly from horseback. Being from Saskatchewan I can deal with the cold pretty well. I normally wear carhart clothing when I am hunting in winter conditions here and have never gotten cold. -55 with the wind is the coldest I have been out hunting and was never cold. I have a set of kenetrek 400 gram mountain extremes and was hoping they will be warm enough. The only problem with the carharts is that I overheat when I have to move a bunch and they get a bit wet from sweating after 2 or 3 hours of hard walking. Peter Andersen Peak Wildlife Adventures 1-306-485-8429 peakwildlifeadventures@hotmail.com www.peakwildlifeadventures.com | |||
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Layers will be your friend!! A good waterproof shell and then go backwards from there. I like merino wool because it wicks and doesn't get stinky and also insulates when wet. I also like KUIU stuff because it works. So I'd go with a Smartwool t-shirt, KUIU merino long sleeve shirt, fleece pullover, KUIU or equivalent vest, puffy coat as needed (only go with Primaloft as it insulates when wet) and then the aforementioned shell (KUIU guide jacket is what I'd take). For pants, I'd go with Smartwool boxer briefs (or whatever your personal pref is), KUIU heavyweight longjohns (double up if really cold), KUIU guide pants, and then if it's really windy go with the KUIU Chugach pants as the last layer. Feet, I'd wear a good wool liner sock like Smartwool, and then a good wool sock. For boots I'd go with the Kenetrek Mtn Extreme w/ 1000 gram insul (don't know anyone else that makes one with that much insulation) and I'd also take a pair of their pac boots or the Schnees. I'd also probably pack extra insoles and if I was sure that they'd have bottled gas, I'd take a Peet shoe dryer. Take at least 3 pairs of gloves and a couple of hats. Make sure you have a good daypack too! Have fun and post pics!! Regards, Scott "....but to protest against all hunting of game is a sign of softness of head, not of soundness of heart." Theodore Roosevelt | |||
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I would NOT take any Carhartts!!! I love 'em but they have no business being taken on a mountain hunt! Your Kenetreks might work but if they keep you warm in Sask. then they might be the ticket. "....but to protest against all hunting of game is a sign of softness of head, not of soundness of heart." Theodore Roosevelt | |||
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Thanks Vanderhoof. I wasn't really thinking of taking my carharts ha. I have some kuiu gear but I haven't had a chance to test it out in cooler weather..same with the kenetreks. I work outdoors year round and only wear 400 gram boots with smarwools in the winter. My old danners were 1000 gram and I never had cold feet once so maybe some heavier boots would be good. I'll see how the hold out towards the new year. Peter Andersen Peak Wildlife Adventures 1-306-485-8429 peakwildlifeadventures@hotmail.com www.peakwildlifeadventures.com | |||
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I've heard mixed reviews on the Kuiu soft shell's durability. I own the hard shell and it has performed flawlessly so far. I would recommend it for keeping dry and stopping wind. La Sportiva's Nepal EVO GTX is a very good mountaineering boot with good insulation that is very warm. MUCH higher quality for mountaineering than any of the Danners. I do not mean to be a gear snob in any way. Just the truth. You might also look at the Scarpa Tibets and Lowa Hunters. The Kenetrek Mountain Extremes in 1000 grams thinsulate might be worth a look as well. Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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I agree, and that's what I meant. Danner Canadians are warm, but they aren't a boot for sheep in February. I think plastics would be warmer. | |||
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By softshell, if you're referring to the Guide jacket I've had mine now on two hunts and am very happy with it except for one minor problem. I bought one of the first jackets available (in fact it was a prototype I believe that was worn by the founder and sold at a discount) and while in Alaska a seam in the hood started to come apart. They are replacing the entire jacket! The Attack pants have withstood LOTS of abuse! I like 'em so much I have 5 pairs now and wear them quite a bit at the ranch, clearing cedar, hauling hay, etc and they don't show any signs of wear. The Chugach gear (hardshell) seems bullet proof! "....but to protest against all hunting of game is a sign of softness of head, not of soundness of heart." Theodore Roosevelt | |||
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There you are. I have a freind who uses Kuiu's soft shell a lot and thinks they are the greatest thing since sliced bread. That said I also ran into a guy hunting this year who wore them a lot last year and didn't think his held up well to heavy use. I believe the problem was seems as well. Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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Bwanawannabe, there is something that you need to find out is all you gears need to fit you and of course you ll be able to check in the winter what work or not even if not in mountain or on a horse. for the base layer i prefer ulfrotte or woolpower ill take some combis in 200, 400 and 600 ... for the socks any liners will work and the woolpower are again good socks. Kuiu seems good but wont support you in the very cold you can meet and i prefer having a little mix or blend like the woolpower. ( i asked too the CS about very cold and one guy answered that he preferred using synthetic when really cold as we re doing here too .. but -20°c is not that cold ...) ill take too a little jacket compressor, Das Parka or other brand : bellay jacket in primaloft or something very similar. never had to use that kind for the pants but who knows take too a balaclava not only an hat. ill take too an over jacket fully white. for your boots they re certainly on the light side but try and you ll know. all the best. Phil ps : even if you dont talk about dont forget a very good pair and her twin of sunglasses ..... | |||
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Sorry for taking awhile to respond...I was out muley hunting with the bow. Thanks for the input guys. I'll look into these options and hopefully come up with a good combination of gear. Peter Andersen Peak Wildlife Adventures 1-306-485-8429 peakwildlifeadventures@hotmail.com www.peakwildlifeadventures.com | |||
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MOA,when you went to Kyrgzistan were you given the chance to hunt without a horse?I cant imagine with the vast distances we had to ride that there would be an area where some horse travel wouldnt be required. Danner pronghorns with 800g worked and fit in the stirrups just barely.They were warm and i could climb in them.You will be in the saddle for 8-10 hours per day.Take some snacks because the food allways sucks.I have been 3 times.Take some instant gatoraid packets to mix with water. | |||
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do not forgrt the thermarest, I been there and it is super important. | |||
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Moa.I am interested in your comparison in hunting in Kyrgzistan with horses verses no horses.Which did you prefer when you went there? | |||
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Huntingcats, I never said I went to Kyrgyzstan. A.F.G.H.A.N.I.S.T.A.N! | |||
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Moa, Sorry my mistake I thought the man asked for advice on clothing for someone who has hunted Ibex in Kyrgz.I was just curious about the hunt option you mentioned where horses werent necessary. A.F.G.A.N.I.S.T.A.N. | |||
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But you gave advice for Kyrgystan. Horses versus no horses?? | |||
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No I gave advice based on my experience in Afghanistan. And a lifetime of living in the Northern Rockies and Alaska, and hunting horseback. Go up and read it again.  | |||
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I did and it reads "clothing for February ibex hunt in Kyrgyzstan"Did you hunt there? | |||
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Never said I did. Actually specifically said I had not. Are you telling that cold weather in mountains of Kyrgistan is different than cold weather mountain hunts anywhere else? | |||
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