This is a weird question because I am a big guy and I don't have a tail bone. I fell down a mountain in Australia and crushed two disk and broke my tail bone into a position that required it to be removed.

What are the saddles like? How much time in the saddle?

Any road hunting available or outfitted backpack hunting?

We spent a lot of time in the saddle; usually at least three hours a day. Their saddles are very different than our western style saddles. They are pretty comfortable though; they put a big, brightly colored pillow on top of it. I wore a pair of padded biking shorts under my pants for the ride in and ride out. Made a huge difference. Also, clarify how to ride your horse. We were getting really beat up because our horses would walk slow, then trot to catch up, whereas the guides' horses walked smooth and fast all the time. When I finally asked why this was happening, through hand signals the guide communicated that I needed to hold the reins tight, keeping his head up, then give him a good whack with my trekking pole to drive him forward. Not how I'm used to riding, but it made for a lot more pleasant riding.

BWW,
Have you ridden a horse lately? If not get some saddle time and see if you can bear it. It may work out ok, if not other plans may be in order.

Hello, Sir!

Usually hunters spend 5-6 hours a day on horse, without horses it is impossible because of high mountains. The altitude where you will hunt will be between 3000-4000 meters usually. Every hunter will have two professional guides which will carry out all the hunting process.
Our company operates since 2000 and had many hunters with different weights till 270 pounds and never had any difficulties. You just should be physically good and the second your guides must be good.

Thanks, I am working on getting down to 200. Easier on the horse, easier on my lungs and joints.

On my hunt some days were longer than others. The longest was close to 10 hours. Some of the shorter days were 4-6 hours. They are relatively docile animals, but it's still hard on you. I was 29yo and in good shape. I would be a bit worried with the disc injuries if they are recurrent and currently problematic. Perhaps ride here a bit to test it out before booking. It's truly a fantastic hunt and country.

Brett

Beware of booking with Bryan Martin of Asian Mountain Outfitters. My hunt with him was a total disaster.

Kairat,With Arpa-Marco Polo has great Horses and Guides. Trust those horses with your life they will get you thru.
We spent all our days at least 5-6 hours sometimes more riding ...that was a normal day with me anyway. I was I believe his oldest hunter 57 he ever had in camp till after I went then there was an older hunter to follow....
I don't ride at all. Hadn't been on a horse but once in 30 years for a couple hours in Montana 10 years back . But if you are extremely bowlegged like me it's a treat. Didn't even bother my herniated c-2. I enjoyed the hell out of it. I never needed a break off the horse except to give them a break and walk them. Never got sore back, butt or legs....rode prob 60+ hours in my 10 days. but, I can stand feet together legs straight and toss a bowling ball thru my legs between my knees...lol

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Originally posted by saddleman:
Beware of booking with Bryan Martin of Asian Mountain Outfitters. My hunt with him was a total disaster.

Care to explain the issues so people don't go through the same hassle?
From all the research I have done he would be one of the top 3 I would book with....

Hmmmmmm. I used Bryan on a Kyrgy hunt and Azerbaijan. Both excellent. Curious to hear your story.

Ski+3
Kalispell, MT

I'd be interested to hear as well about bryan an Asian Mountain Outfitters. I haven't seen anything negative on or about him.

Ken and Nube: you didnt look very hard if you didnt find anything with him .... it is on internet about what he did in BC as an guide and outfitter and two times that we know of.

as i already wrote here when you are poacher it will never end ...

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Originally posted by medved:
Ken and Nube: you didnt look very hard if you didnt find anything with him .... it is on internet about what he did in BC as an guide and outfitter and two times that we know of.

as i already wrote here when you are poacher it will never end ...

I could care less of his past. What I care about is why a hunt was a disaster. He always has put together a good hunt from all the reviews i have read and people I have talked with. To me this guy complaining here obviously does not have a whole lot or he would have told his story. I'm an outfitter as well and know as any other you can't please everyone no matter what. I will be booking a hunt for Marco polo and from all my research Asian Mountain Outfitters is one of my top 3 picks right now so if there is something bad then I want to know about it

you are right Nube if the result only matter ....

When you are going to a Russian country it sure does matter. Putting a hunt together like that takes knowing the right people and making it happen so you don't loose your shirt. Trophy quality is also important and through research I have done there is a lot to getting to be able to hunt the right areas and with the right guy. You got recomendations for a good outfitter that you can trust, that gets the job done and with top end game quality? I am all ears if you do. I've been researching it for 4 years now at least but not afraid to learn something new.

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Originally posted by nube:
When you are going to a Russian country it sure does matter. Putting a hunt together like that takes knowing the right people and making it happen so you don't loose your shirt. Trophy quality is also important and through research I have done there is a lot to getting to be able to hunt the right areas and with the right guy. You got recomendations for a good outfitter that you can trust, that gets the job done and with top end game quality? I am all ears if you do. I've been researching it for 4 years now at least but not afraid to learn something new.

Nube i do not think going to Russia will avoid you any troubles if it is not done the proper way ...

does he speak russian now?

getting in trouble with those countries can be interesting and challenging ....

there is more than one outfitter in the world than can accomodate your dream and even the one that your preferred outfit is using because i do not think he owns the area ...

he is even using local guides ... it may facilitate.

as i said he was caught poaching and got trialed and fined two times in BC... do you think his mind changed .... ethically i will avoid him even if he is the best to have in the mountain ... but again your choice but at least you know a little more ...

Nube will you use an Austrian or Belgium outfit to hunt in Yukon or Alaska for Dall sheep?

Mr Medved.
I think you are missing the point. This forum is for "Asian hunting". You confused it with the most popular AR forum, "ax to grind".
Some wanker throws out a BS post about an Asian Outfitter and you jump in. It's rude. Please act your age, not your town's mental capacity after a few beers. As stated before... Please share your negative experiences with hunting in Asia. Specifically a former Russian protectorate which makes the Yukon look like Central Park.

Ski+3

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Originally posted by medved:
Nube will you use an Austrian or Belgium outfit to hunt in Yukon or Alaska for Dall sheep?

I'll use whoever has a history of producing quality good safe hunts... Which he has done for many many years unlike a lot of locals who you can't trust for the most part.
How much experience do you have traveling in the world and hunting in other countries other than North America? I hope you have some experience and if not then I really don't think you should be commenting

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Originally posted by SkiBumplus3:
Mr Medved.
I think you are missing the point. This forum is for "Asian hunting". You confused it with the most popular AR forum, "ax to grind".
Some wanker throws out a BS post about an Asian Outfitter and you jump in. It's rude. Please act your age, not your town's mental capacity after a few beers. As stated before... Please share your negative experiences with hunting in Asia. Specifically a former Russian protectorate which makes the Yukon look like Central Park.

Ski+3

dear ski+3,

i do not drink... someone asked about that outfit and i explained that in the past he got caught two times in BC for poaching ... as a guide/outfitter we are expecting a little more if you do not see a pattern there ...

as i said unless it has changed someone that is not speaking the local language is useless in case of problem ....

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Originally posted by nube:

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Originally posted by medved:
Nube will you use an Austrian or Belgium outfit to hunt in Yukon or Alaska for Dall sheep?

I'll use whoever has a history of producing quality good safe hunts... Which he has done for many many years unlike a lot of locals who you can't trust for the most part.
How much experience do you have traveling in the world and hunting in other countries other than North America? I hope you have some experience and if not then I really don't think you should be commenting

i first set up my feet in africa in 1989 and stayed 3 years there and mostly hunted fored and savannah .... and hunted also in Europe for Chamois and red deer but not only ... i didnt ask your hunting resume ...

now if you do not want to hear about the specific outfit good on you and i wish you the best but if something is happening at least you wont say you were aware ...

Kinda what I figured ....

The saddles are brutal! You can expect long days on horseback. I'd look to Tajikistan for a vehicle hunt if horses aren't an option for you.

for the non- believers:

https://archive.news.gov.bc.ca...08env0036-000478.htm

INFORMATION BULLETIN

For Immediate Release

2008ENV0036-000478

April 4, 2008

Ministry of Environment



TWO MEN ORDERED TO PAY $8,750 FOR WILDLIFE OFFENCES



MACKENZIE – B.C. resident Bryan Martin and Alberta resident Mark Greenlee pleaded guilty to Wildlife Act offences in a Mackenzie courtroom last week.



Martin was charged with knowingly making a false statement to a conservation officer. Greenlee was charged with hunting big game while not a resident, knowingly making a false statement to a conservation officer and unlawful possession of wildlife.



Both men received fines and were ordered to pay penalties totalling $8,750. Greenlee was ordered to pay $3,750 and Martin was ordered to pay $5,000. The Habitat Conservation Trust Fund will receive $8,500 of the penalties paid.



In addition to the monetary penalties, Greenlee has been ordered not to hunt in B.C. for a period of two years and to forfeit the seized wildlife (a grizzly bear, mountain goat and a caribou).



This investigation resulted from an inspection on a guide outfitter camp located in northern B.C., near the Kemess mine. The Mackenzie Conservation Officer Service determined a number of documents had been altered with regard to the wildlife harvested.



The maximum penalty for a first offence conviction under the B.C. Wildlife Act is $50,000 or imprisonment for a term of six months, or both.



The B.C. government will introduce changes this spring to the Wildlife Act that will include tough new penalties to prevent and punish poaching and killing of endangered species.

Non-compliance with environmental requirements threaten human health and safety, and the province’s natural resources. Environment Minister Barry Penner encourages the public to report all poachers and polluters by calling the COS 24-hour hotline at 1-877-952-RAPP (7277), #RAPP (7277) on the TELUS Mobility Network, or by visiting the website at www.rapp.bc.ca. All tips are kept confidential.

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Media

contact:


Kate Thompson

Manager, Media Relations

Ministry of Environment

250 953-4577

now you cant say you didnt know ....

Normally you ride minimum 5/6 hours a day cuz the horse is your transport.
we do it this way.

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Originally posted by Big Wonderful Wyoming:
This is a weird question because I am a big guy and I don't have a tail bone. I fell down a mountain in Australia and crushed two disk and broke my tail bone into a position that required it to be removed.

What are the saddles like? How much time in the saddle?

Any road hunting available or outfitted backpack hunting?

Each area is different.

We hunted out of camp and would ride for 6+ hours per day.

Later in the hunt we would drive the horses 1-2 hours in the back of a 6x6 truck. then ride 3-4.

You can not walk the required distance and need the horse.

Driving on the hills would be impossable.

As for a saddle, generaly home made from sticks, leather and a bit of stuffing.

this is the one I had in Kazakhstan couple of blankets over it then strap around it to strap to the horse, never had any problems rode for 8 hours one day