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Is there any truth to the reasoning behind the ban? I bet it was politically motivated by tree hugging bird loving pinkos that infiltrated the game depts. Perry | ||
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Actually a number of states ban or restrict the use of lead. Most notably California and Washington ban or restrict lead on certain grounds. It is a matter of when. The EPA could technically ban it with the stroke of a pen. Jim | |||
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The EPA forced the closure of the sporting clays range at our local gun club over lead in the ground water issues. | |||
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Me tinks its all crap! Perry | |||
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I don't know if the problem is real or not, but elevated levels of lead in your blood stream is a major health issue and can lead to numerous diseases. For sure lead in your well from which supplies your drinking water would pose a health risk. Range owners should contact The NRA Range Department for ways to control lead and avoid closure. Once they shut a range down it's too late. William A. Batson, NRA Range Technical Team Advisor. velocity is like a new car, always losing value. BC is like diamonds, holding value forever. | |||
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I may be in the minority, but believe the ban on waterfowling is warranted. I perused a few studies, and as I understand it, the birds are said to eat the shot, thinking they're small pebbles to aid in digestion (crop), and they are poisoned. Not a nice way to go, apparently. The only time I shot lead at waterfowl was at the dog trial (over fields and brush, not water). We were given 2.75" AA hulls with lead 8s to shoot. I could not believe how well they worked on the ducks out to 40 yards... ______________________ Hunting: I'd kill to participate. | |||
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I think the "evidence" has to be highly speculative. Ducks eating lead shot...where is this shot. Wouldn't the ducks crap out the lead shot with the rocks in their craws? I just don't see it. How many of yall have found steel shot in ducks craws when you clean them...ya, me too. So why don't they eat steel? it's a bunch of crap. Kamo, Lead flat kills ducks. Growing up all we ever used was 20ga. 2 3/4" #6 and the ducks rained down. Perry | |||
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Thousands of dead ducks testing positive for lead poisoning is proof enough for me. Pity, as it kills wonderfully, but I'm OK shooting the alternatives in the interest of saving any from poisoning. Curious: just whom or what do you believe is behind the conspiracy behind the banning of the use of lead shot? Steel manufacturers?  ______________________ Hunting: I'd kill to participate. | |||
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Liberal anti hunting tree huggers that have infiltrated the parks and wildlife depts are behind it. This is one of those things they do to ban something, patiently, pushing for more later. The same people type of people that want to now ban soft toilet paper. Where were these "thousands" of dead ducks and how do we know it was them eating lead shot that killed them. Lead has been used for a long time to kill waterfowl so "thousands" of dead ducks isn't that many in the grand scheme of things. And on the subject of what killed them, don't living things die even if they are left completely alone? I was too young at the time to remember the reasoning for the ban but a lot of them older men I hunted around said it wreaked of politics. Perry | |||
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Actually who and why don't matter much to me. When I must shoot steel shot I'm done! Bsides I got pretty fed up protecting ducks and buying wetlands to increase their numbers so anyone going to Argentina could blast the hell out of the fruits of our labors. I stopped waterfowl hunting over 30 years ago and don't feel I've missed anything. When steel shot is required for upland birds, I'll be done there too. Let PETA, GREENPIECE and other bunny/tree huggers pay for the conservation efforts. LOL!!!  Ever look at the damage from farm runoff and mercury from factory waste? How very small the minds who actually believe there is enough shot laying around to poison so many waterfowl? It all seems hypocritical to me. Blame the guys who have a long history of protecting the involved species and ignore the butt-wipes who are really guilty! POLITICS! POLITICS! POLITICS! | |||
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Don Just come out and say whatever is on your mind. All this heming and hawing makes us all wonder how you really feel. perry | |||
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I would like you too show me the scientific data that shows thousands of ducks died from lead poisoning. It was all  friends of animals sued the USFWS back in the 70's saying ducks are ingesting lead and dying and when they did bald eagles ate them and ingested the lead, because it was on the ES list at the time and a court could have closed Waterfowl season with an injuction USFWS did not want the fight and cost and relented in fazing out lead for waterfowl.I shoot between 120-200 waterfowl a season open up every gizzard and have never found a lead or steel pellet that had been injested in them. I was part of a study in the mid 70's that opened up the duck gizzards right in front of me and not one lead pellet was found the USFWS biologist who was a women told me on the last day of the season that year she found 1 duck with 1 lead pellet in it's gizzard and she did over a 1000 birds, had I known what was happening I would have passed, back then you always thought you could trust USFWS that they were on the hunters side  SO GO FIND ME THE STUDY THAT 1000'S DIED. | |||
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That is how I remember it, now that it is mentioned. The older men I hunted with still use lead  Perry | |||
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Nothing I can do or say will change your opinion anyway, so what's the point? It's all a big conspiracy after all, right? But just to keep it civil, I'd like to suggest you start looking in the vaults where they keep the evidence that Castro killed JFK, the moon walks were staged and 9/11 was allowed to happen by the government. Having learned that you're a scientist (based on your highly regimented and scientifically sound testing methods which include your examining crops of ducks--"nope, nuttin' in dis one either!", I'll leave it to your finely honed skills of pathology to ferret out the evil doers who have duped us. Good luck. ______________________ Hunting: I'd kill to participate. | |||
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Just for S&G, some light reading for the good Perfesser http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=1585841 http://www.parislanding.com/toxic_shot.htm http://www.tws-west.org/transactions/Moore%20'78.pdf http://ci.nii.ac.jp/naid/110001078125/en http://www.jwildlifedis.org/cgi/reprint/23/3/438.pdf http://www.nwhc.usgs.gov/disea...tions/91SD.WSB01.pdf http://dnr.wi.gov/org/land/wil.../hunt/nontoxshot.pdf http://www.springerlink.com/content/a52g6e3gn9b2cgme/ http://www.wisconsinbirds.org/LeadPoisoningPaper.htm ______________________ Hunting: I'd kill to participate. | |||
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