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I recently bought a four day high volume dove hunt in Argentina at a local SCI fundraiser. The outfitter insists that we upgrade the hunt for additional fees. The outfitter will not book the hunt without the upgrade. I have called the local chapter to complain but have not heard a reply. This is the first donated hunt I have bought from SCI. Anyone have any experience with this? | ||
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Amazing! (not really) I don't know what your legal position is, but I'd consider filing suit if the outfitter is in the US and I/we would love to know his name to be sure we don't ever use the no good SOB. I don't think I'd pay it if it was me, but I guess, if I was in your shoes, I'd weigh what I paid, against the cost of the upgrade against the actual REAL value of what you get. Don't forget to ask what they charge for shells. Sounds like a complete rip-off outfit to me, I'd be very reluctant to go forward. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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I sure hope all of these organizations we pay good money to be members of are lobbying hard for our rights......because any time I've tried to contact someone for some help I come up empty. I tried to contact local members of both DU and Delta prior to a recent trip and came up with disconnected numbers and unreturned messages left. My buddy and his entire family are lifetime SCI members and I asked if he could call a local chapter for help.......total waste of time and effort. I'm sure there have been instances where this wasn't the case(I'd certainly help out a fellow DU or Delta member....or AR member for that matter if one contacted me). Bottom line: that sucks that this happened to you and would reinforce my understanding to be VERY wary when purchasing "donated" hunts. Please let us know names and the final outcome, good or bad. | |||
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Our chapter in our Banquet the Program for each Nights Auction spells out all the in and outs of each hunt that is up for Auction. It tells if it has a reserve , what it cost extra and all so the up grades if any. Our was this weekend , hunts went too high for me. | |||
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I bought a trip to Spain at a fundraiser. As soon as I contacted the outfitter, he pressed me to upgrade. I said F it and booked with someone else. I never mentioned it to anyone. Not worth the effort. | |||
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Ours did also. It states hunt CAN be upgrade NOT MUST be upgraded. Transportation costs have gone from $450 in the auction to 500 now she will email me the new rate due to exchange rate which have not changed much. | |||
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Ouch....chances are they going to nickel and dime you to death while you are on the hunt. Watch out for "unexpected" costs, license fees, etc. Quite possibly the "donation" was under pressure and now they are trying to get the money out of you. | |||
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Your chapter has the money, or a large chunk of it. I'd go see them first... Rich | |||
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All conditions of the donation should have been disclosed in the item discription before you bought the hunt. Some donations do require some type upgrade and some do not. Those that do not require an upgrade frequently do a 50/50 or 70/30 split with the chapter. The outfitter has to make a dollar somewhere to stay in business. It works well as a fundraising item for the chapter. But all conditions must be spelled out so you know what you are buying. If the upgrade was not disclosed in the hunt discription, you should ask your local chapter for a refund and cancel the hunt. If the upgrade was disclosed, it becomes your responsibilty. | |||
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The chapter is as mad as I am. The donor is not honoring the donation so the chapter is looking at other outfitters. Barring that they will refund the money. | |||
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name the names. Out this clown! NRA LIFE MEMBER DU DIAMOND SPONSOR IN PERPETUITY DALLAS SAFARI CLUB LIFE MEMBER SCI FOUNDATION MEMBER | |||
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I agree. Not sure in this instance I see the value of not putting the name out there. | |||
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This is just one example and I'm not picking on the poster, but this kind of thing really pisses me off. Why shouldn't the outfitter be named so the rest of us can avoid him like the plague? xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Agree 100%! This outfitter should be named and shamed. Personally, I would try to get a refund from the Chapter. Under no circumstances I am going to hunt with this lot! | |||
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The outfitter was Miguel Medus of Argentina Wild Wingshooting. After promising a refund the chapter have been silent in communicating with me. I am disputing the charges with my CC company. The donation was a 70/30 split with the chapter. I don't think this is isolated. I bought another hunt,in Bavaria, at the same auction and guess what, these guys are pushing upgrades as well. | |||
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Here's his donated hunt to the AZ Deer Assn:
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The auction that ran locally did not include an agreement to upgrade. I avoided those items b/c I did not see the value in it. This was item was for a straight up dove hunt with an option to upgrade. He wanted $900/day/hunter to upgrade to perdiz which to me is totally out of line. | |||
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Here is the ad for the item. Note, hunt CAN be upgraded not MUST Argentina Wild Wing Shooting – 4 Days / 4 Hunters High Volume Dove Hunt – Includes lodging in ranch house and meals. Hunt can be upgraded for Water Buffalo, Russian Wild Boar, Axis Deer or Four Horn Ram as per the pricelist. Excludes license of $100, gun permit of $110, $450 round trip for group transportation fee. www.argentinawildwingshooting.com | |||
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This kind of thing is exactly why I rarely buy an auction hunt. Not all are bad and not all are like this. There are 2 companies that I have bought auction hunts with that treated me right and I have gone back on multiple hunts with them. | |||
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"Hunters agree to upgrade hunt to include ducks at $500/day/hunter" "Hunt can be upgraded for Water Buffalo, Russian Wild Boar, Axis Deer or Four Horn Ram as per the pricelist" Well..........which is the truth? If I'm not mistaken, this appears to be a case of "3 sides to every story". | |||
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Geesh Norton, it's two different ads in two different locations. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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txlonghorn: I and, I'm sure, other hunters on here appreciate your posting the outfitter's name. I'll be sure to add him to my personal "avoid at all costs" list. Thanks. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Yeah, they looked different.....I'm inclined to believe txlonghorn though. You know me, I like to be Diablo's advocate sometimes.  Didn't mean to discourage him from posting.....I agree we should always post experiences with outfitters.....both good and bad......and provide names. | |||
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I've added Argentina Wild Wing Shooting to my list of DO NOT USE hunt purveyors. The local SCI chapters really ought to be a bit more discriminating regarding who they accept donations from. Donors who don't honor the terms of their donation should be banned from exhibiting at all SCI venues and their donations should not be accepted. For instance there is one safari operator who gives quite a few donations. If you look at the listed trophy fees, they're a LOT more than those listed for the vast majority of other operators. I visited their booth in Reno and listened to their speal. If I booked with them there were all sorts of discounts which brought the trophy fees down to what everyone else was charging. In short, their "donations" really aren't donations at all since they are making it all up in inflated trophy fees. | |||
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Believe me, I have learned my lesson as well. This is the first SCI auction I have been to. I avoided the items that required an upgrade and thought I excercised my due diligence but I suspect that the majority of the "donated" hunts want some sort of overpriced "upgrade" or "trophy" fees. | |||
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over the last 15 plus years i have bought 18-20 donated hunts and fishing trips at SCI, NWTF, DU, RMEF , etc. banquets and never been pressured much less required to upgrade any of them. savings overall would be at least $25-30,000. i guess i lead a charmed life. leaving Sat on a fishing trip to Costa Rica that i bought at this year's SCI convention auction for $1700 off regular price. bought the same trip 3 years ago at the auction for $2200 off retail. don't get soured on the concept because of 1 bad experience. Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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I have bought a number of hunts and fishing trips from a number of fundraising organizations including SCI chapters as well at the SCI convention in Reno. I have had very good experiences with these purchases. I believe a quality fundraising organization will take care of the buyer where a donor does not honor their donation in good faith. It does pay to do your research before the auction. Wherever possible I will contact the donor to clarify the donation specifics and conditions to be sure there are no surprises. I check references just as if I was buying the hunt direct. Be an informed buyer. | |||
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The hunt was "donated". Your local chapter has your money, or most of it. Have an attorney contact them with a friendly suggestion that they take care of you. Rich DRSS | |||
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They have refunded the price of the hunt saying the donor misrepresented the hunt. | |||
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