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I really don't care what guys use either. Most of you know me by now and how I like to stir the pot, beat the hornets nest and keep a post going to see all of the responses. I have fun! I love to see how upset some get but what really surprises me is how many actually agree with what I post. You have to take it with a grain of salt. jumping
All of my friends use inlines and I help them sight in and develop loads. What I really don't like about them is they can get awful hard to load after a shot. They can be a pain to take apart and clean. The newer ones are nice and I would love one for a round ball. The main reason I like a patched round ball is the ease of reloading yet they are deadly on deer.
Do you notice I never get angry because I am pissers in the wind. horse
I am guilty of a lot of things too. I sit in a stand with a revolver and wish I had a rifle stock on them. I do manage unreal shots offhand though and the feeling goes away.
For all that take me dead serious should unwind a little and just join the fun. The only thing I get serious about is accuracy and using the right bullet/boolit for hunting.
So now that I have a lot of you wound up---Merry Christmas. animal
 
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bfrshooter,

"A sick mind is a terrible thing to waste."

Merry Christmas to you as well,

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Posts: 87 | Location: New Hampshire | Registered: 01 September 2005Reply With Quote
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With the NEF one screw, take off the forearm, screw out the breech plug, with teflon tape applied and throw it in the dishwasher when your wife is not home?
 
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Now what would you guys do without me? clap
 
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Continue to shoot smokeless savage ML'ers Wink Big Grin Eeker....just like before popcorn

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Posts: 257 | Location: Central Maine | Registered: 18 November 2007Reply With Quote
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You all that like to hunt close should come down to Missouri next fall. There are some big deer and open fields in the north part of the State, but the Mark Twain National Forest in the Ozarks is just what it sounds like - hilly, woody, and brushy. You will hardly ever SEE a 200 yard deer in that country, so long range shooting isn't a biggie.

Bow season runs from mid-September to New Years, except during the firearms and muzzleloader seasons. Orange is required during ML season as well as in firearms season, so the buckskin outfit is out, but otherwise you should be well satisfied.

If you are willing to walk a ways from the road, you can pretty well count on not seeing anyone else all day. Puts you and your rocklock at the top of the food chain.
 
Posts: 142 | Location: southwest Missouri | Registered: 07 February 2004Reply With Quote
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Shooting a traditional ML, like my Great Plains 54 flinter, just feels right-kind of like shooting my selfbow. Hard to explain unless you've done it.
 
Posts: 36 | Location: Iowa | Registered: 20 January 2007Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by Capehunter1:
Shooting a traditional ML, like my Great Plains 54 flinter, just feels right-kind of like shooting my selfbow. Hard to explain unless you've done it.


I totally agree. However, shooting ANY muzzle loader; even a "mattell inline" feels better than shooting one of those "suppository" guns. thumb




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Posts: 808 | Location: N. FL | Registered: 21 September 2003Reply With Quote
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well i guess i sorta fall in this being my main ml hunter is the origanal inline the old h&r huntsman 58 cal break open my other is a t/c new englander 50 cal that i also take out every year but i agree the new inlines are not primitive weapons


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I have had my share of Flintlocks and Cap locks.They have lost their appeal to me.(Lazy and gettin old)I like my Omega.Easy to clean ,use Tripel X and 295 Gr.Powerbelts.70 yds .is a long shot in the woods here.Maybe put a Propoint or 1X Scope on as my eyeballs arnt much good with irons anymore.I just like being in the woods so anything that extends my time there works for me!!!! Big Grin
 
Posts: 4372 | Location: NE Wisconsin | Registered: 31 March 2007Reply With Quote
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Reading through these discussions, I feel like I am the only one who still hunts with a tradional muzzleloading rifle. Whatever blows your skirt up, but I just have a problem classifying the new breed of in-lines as "primitive" weapons, especially the scoped, stainless-synthetic ones. Other than speed of reloading, I don't see a lot of diffe

no you arnt the only one i too hunt tradional
blackpowder what i cant understand how they
can call it b.p when thay use those damd pellets and b.p. subistue
i would like to see alow peepsights for hunters OVER 60 YEARS but if thay dont no big deal
oh yea i am 75 so i have a speacil reason
but when i was young ihad no problum



between most of the in-lines and a cartridge rifle. I guess that I will continue to be a dinosaur with my T/C 54-caliber Renegade and my original 1848 .62-caliber Swedish half-stock alg (moose) rifle.

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Originally posted by loud-n-boomer:
Reading through these discussions, I feel like I am the only one who still hunts with a tradional muzzleloading rifle. Whatever blows your skirt up, but I just have a problem classifying the new breed of in-lines as "primitive" weapons, especially the scoped, stainless-synthetic ones. Other than speed of reloading, I don't see a lot of diffe

no you arnt the only one i too hunt tradional
blackpowder what i cant understand how they
can call it b.p when thay use those damd pellets and b.p. subistue
i would like to see alow peepsights for hunters OVER 60 YEARS but if thay dont no big deal
oh yea i am 75 so i have a speacil reason
but when i was young ihad no problum



between most of the in-lines and a cartridge rifle. I guess that I will continue to be a dinosaur with my T/C 54-caliber Renegade and my original 1848 .62-caliber Swedish half-stock alg (moose) rifle.

Dave

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People are people some like thing more traditional some like new things.

New is not always better however I will lean towards my Knight disc elite...stainless/black senthetic/Nikon Monach 3x9x40scoped/777/.209/sabot rifle every time the law will allow.


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Posts: 7361 | Location: South East Missouri | Registered: 23 November 2005Reply With Quote
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I call the inline a tool for having to shoot long range where the hunter can't hunt to get close or can't stand to let an animal go by.
I have nothing against the idea of the inline because it is not a new innovation. I would buy one rifled for a round ball but will have nothing to do with sabots and revolver bullets. I will stay with my flinters and side locks because either takes deer to beyond 100 yd's with open sights.
I kill all of my deer with bows and revolvers because I like animals close. If it is too far, it walks. I have been so successful that I have not had to go out in muzzle loader season for years. I shot 5 this season and quit. 2 of the deer were shot at 55 yd's with revolvers. I see no need at all for a gun that will shoot 200 yd's or being too lazy to clean the gun. Why not just use a 30-06?
I sold my high power rifles because it was just too easy to kill. Not hunting at all, more like bullseye shooting. Anything in sight was dead. Cows in a field are just as sporting. To advance the muzzle loader to this will never fit my idea of hunting.
I hear a lot comparing the compound bow to the stick bow but in actuality it is not much better as far as distance. 20 yd's is 20 yd's.
I know, a lot of you say you still hunt close. You have the inline because it is easy to load and clean. It fires all the time so you don't miss out on a deer----SO WHAT? You fellas are missing out on a true experience and a lot of fun. So what if a cap pops or a flint doesn't spark! Do you really feel bad that the deer walked away? Can't you laugh it off and try again?
I keep getting the feeling that it is the greed to kill and not the hunting experience that controls the market today. Keep your inlines, they are only a step away from a brass case.


1."I would buy one rifled for a round ball but will have nothing to do with sabots and revolver bullets."

To terrify you even worse, there are those
innovators (like we had in years of past) who
are using "caliber specific" bullets to place
down the bore WITHOUT patches OR sabots!!

2. "I sold my high power rifles because it was just too easy to kill. Not hunting at all, more like bullseye shooting. Anything in sight was dead. Cows in a field are just as sporting. To advance the muzzle loader to this will never fit my idea of hunting."

If you're shooting at less than 200yds, an '06
may not be very "sporting". But if you're
shooting @ 150yds with a round ball, I consider
it being inhumane.........so do a lot of other
"inliners". Dare I say, "You are outnumbered."?

3. "I keep getting the feeling that it is the greed to kill and not the hunting experience that controls the market today."

I'm personally not in it for the "market". I'm
in it for hunting/meat. A buck here in Iowa can
be just as tasty as a doe. Yet a doe is good
meat in the freezer and a trophy buck is...well.
..just that. You pass up that buck @ 200yds and
I will get him at that distance...HUMANELY!
Your balls are only humane using certain specific shots at certain short distances.

I also have a couple of sidelocks, one specific
for round balls and one for conicals/round balls. Added to that is an Encore and a
Savage. Such a debate as this is, to say the
least, "STUPID"!!

You have your way of doing things, I have mine.
For either of to us to impose our way of things
on the other is only cutting one-in-other's
freedom's throats.....may as well start referring to each other as "comrades" and forget
all about our 2d amendment freedoms.

This whole subject is really dumb.....can't
believe I got "sucked" into the whole thing!!


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I don't get into the this vs that..just like to build flintlocks to hunt with. It really doesn't matter to me what others are using I hunt with flintlocks during modern gun season too. Unless I feel like using one of my modern rifles in a long shot area.
Got this buck last wk during a modern gun hunt on some fl. public land.

58cal. Berk's Co. with patched roundball.

 
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Idaho Fish and Game call it a primative hunt, most of that other stuff is out...no scopes and they have to load from the muzzle...

I used a Lyman Plains rifle with a custom 54 cal. barrel, still got it but havn't used it for a number of years..

I think the game depts give muzzle loaders a break on hunting and allow rut hunts etc, and I think if you hunt with a muzzle loader it should be a primitive weapon or a copy thereof..

To use an inline or any of todays MLs is a joke, just like using a Ruger no. 1 IMO...The idea of muzzle loading hunts has been bastardized... stir


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Originally posted by billrquimby:
Put me on the side of those who believe the new in-lines are not "primitve" hunting rifles and don't deserve special seasons. I feel the same way about compound bows.

Bill Quimby


Me too, and why can you hunt with a compound bow but not a cross bow?

Crossbow technology is 2000 years old. Compound bow were invented in my lifetime.

What the hell is that about?
 
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Wait until Obama is elected, then a flintlock will be classified as an asult rifle.
 
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