I just bought some "new" Rem. dedicated muzzleloader 209 sized primers. The primers claim to shoot 20 rounds between need for cleaning. Has anyone used them? Are they any good?

I'll be trying them out in the morning so check this thread tomorrow afternoon. Loads will be 100gr 777 behind TC 200 and 250gr Shockwaves. Using the regular Win 209's I have to swab between shots due to the crud ring. Hoping the Rem primers help. Rick

I like 777 too except for the silly crud ring. I really didn't want to "cripple" myself by switching to an expensive bastard sized primer system. If these primers work,it could save alot of $$$ and frustration switching over to a "workaround" primer system.

Just got back from shooting. The Rem. primers do make a difference. I can now shoot at least 3 rounds with 100gr 777 loose and still have no problem seating the bullets. 3 shots with the 200gr shockwave in 1" between the widest shots. If I keep loading and shooting past 3 the shots start to string vertical. This may have as much to do with the sabot plastic as with the powder fouling. Best accuracy is still with swabbing each shot. This will be my load for next weekend. Rick

I won't get to shoot my Encore until the weekend. I am hoping not to deal with the "crud ring".

I clean my bbl after every shot when sighting in for hunting. The bbl will always be clean on that first shot. I do want to know that a follow up shot can be made without alot of hassle though. I will shoot three without swabbing to see how it goes. I have never needed more than one-yet

Thanks for the reply rick243.

When you swab out the "crud ring" between shots, do you use regular powder solvent? Do you follow with anything else besides a dry patch?

I use pyrodex cleaning solvent of some sort. I can't remember the brand name. I use it after every shot when sighting in for hunting. I always hunt with a clean bbl at first but have been known to shoot three to five shots in a days hunting. I don't see any significant change with follow up shots except that it gets more difficult to load after two or three shots. My best day was a total of three deer with the Encore muzzleloader setup. That was with pyrodex though.

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Originally posted by rick243:
I'll be trying them out in the morning so check this thread tomorrow afternoon. Loads will be 100gr 777 behind TC 200 and 250gr Shockwaves. Using the regular Win 209's I have to swab between shots due to the crud ring. Hoping the Rem primers help. Rick

I just got back from the range and I must say that the crud ring is GONE! I can't feel the miserable crud ring anymore. Thanks Remington for coming up with a solution to a problem that could have been expensive to fix.

i have a real cheap solution and it works as i have been using it for years.........................................a spit patch followed by a dry patch. accuracy is 1" at 100 yards with 3 triple 7 pellets and a 300 grain sst. this is out of a tc omega stainless laminate rifle with a 3x9 bushnell elite 3200 scope.

I don't care what you use except for a follow up shot in the field. We are talking about the new Remington primers here. Maybe you need to respond to a different thread.

i use that methode even on the range and it works great i see all these people using this hocus pocus and for what.

if you want to use the new primers go right ahead im not putting you donwn its just that i wont spend my money on some gimic.

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Originally posted by 700 nitro:
i use that methode even on the range and it works great i see all these people using this hocus pocus and for what.

if you want to use the new primers go right ahead im not putting you donwn its just that i wont spend my money on some gimic.

You don't get it,do you? I am talking about follow up shots while hunting. If you think I'm going to swab between shots while a deer is looking at me,well it just ain't gona' happen'. You need to understand the point of the "follow up shot". I won't personally attack you here but I don't think that you are a hunter,just a paper puncher.

i dont swab between shots while hunting

and what the fuck is your problem little fish i said nothing to attack you yet your like a little fucking dog nipping at my heals for no apareant reason.

and im no hunter bull shit thats me with that fucking elephant little boy.


and hears a concept for you i have never had to take a folow out shot cause every big game animal iv ever shot has died on my first shot.

all you do is stir shit on these boards iv seen you post befor are you really trying to be a sshole or are you a fucking ass hole naturally.

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Originally posted by small fish:
I don't think that you are a hunter,just a paper puncher.

How's it going 700....According to Jim my 8bore should be done shortly as its out for the engraving and then thats it. Gonna beat the hell outta that rifle in the Yukon in January! WOO HOO! How goes progress on the .505?

Best,

John

the 505 is coming great i up graded 1000$ to turkish walnut cant wait to bring the rifle to africa 3-4 times or more for elephant.

I used some today. Much cleaner than the Winchester 209's I was using last year. I have switched!

Funny how this problem appeaqred along with the "improved" systems using the 209 primer. I never had any problem using the old number 11 caps and never had a misfire. Then again I always use powder and not pellets. About the fast second shot, not likely the deer is going to be standing there after the gun goes off and it is good to wait 20 minutes or so to follow up anyway.

rickt300,are you using 777? That is the powder that the crud ring is famous for. Pyrodex doesn't seem to have an issue with the crud ring,just 777 to the best of my knowledge. I have seen deer stand long enough for a follow upshot in the past but it isn't the norm for sure. Do you actually have any experience with the 209 primers and 777? You say you use the #11 caps. I should have clarified that the new Rem primers were apparently designed to cure the crud ring that 777 produces with regular shotgun primers.

Duckear,I love the new primers! I have been nothing but impressed with the performance and shootability of the new 209's.

I don't have a rifle that uses 209 primers but I have used some 777. The smell is enough to keep me from buying any more of it and I didn't notice any worse fouling with it than pyrodex.

rickt300,you should try real black powder and use a flinlock. I hear it is so much more enjoyable and the smell is most alluring.

I preferred Goex triple F but true black powder is hard to get unless you belong to a club that has a powder magazine.

I hate to be in dissent but I tried the Rem. 209 primers at the suggestion of the gun shop employee when I mentioned the "crud ring" with triple 7 pellets and I was less than impressed.
I had 2 hang ifres and 2 mis-fires out of 15 shots.
Yes, when it did go off there was less mess in the barrel and breech plug but I will trade a bit more junk for sure ignition every time.
Do you want to be wondering if the next shot will go off or not when the deer comes into your sights, not me.
I went back to CCI primers and simply clean between shots when practicing or shooting for fun. Like others have mentioned , I don't usually need a second shot as the deer are quite dead after the first.
Just my humble opinion.

I've never had a misfire and I love the new primers. Maybe you are doing something wrong and I'm doing it right. Time will tell.

I heard somewhere that the rem primers were supposed to be more accurate since they were weaker. They would only ignite the powder and not create a push on its own. Has anyone noticed this? I also have a box to try, and I use 777 pellets. Those of you that have had misfires or flawless performance, was it with this powder?

Like I said,I never had a misfire(and I did notice a slight increase in accuracy). I saved alot of money not going with a bastard system. The purpose of those systems was just that,to decrease the push and lessen the crud ring. So far it works just fine for me.

Are you using 777 pellets or loose powder? I just worry that maybe the ignition problem is with the pellets not the loose powder.

I am using the pellets. I get the crud ring using both the loose powder and the pellets with regular shotgun primers. I have not shot the new primers with loose powder yet. No crud ring with the pellets using the new primers.

I use only real bp ,last year with musket caps and sidelock had plenty of crud ring problems.I sold all 4 sidelocks and bought an inline .Now I have found that with these new primers there is very little in the way of crud build up between shots.Used to be hard to seat bullet in the black mountain magnum after one shot with blackpowder and musket caps.Last week i shot 3 shots without cleaning with no noticable crud ring.same bullets and powder,new primer
I read a little article in outdoor life a few months back on the new primers,seems they are actually for the 410 shotgun,have less bang than the regular 209s,sure seems to help,in MHO,but then again I havent hunted elephants either.

jb,the primers I am using say right on the box,"For muzzleloading use ONLY. Not suitable for use with smokeless powders or in reloading shotshells."

These primers are specifically designed for the modern inline muzzleloader using bp substitutes. Just wanted to clear that up.

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Originally posted by rickt300:
About the fast second shot, not likely the deer is going to be standing there after the gun goes off and it is good to wait 20 minutes or so to follow up anyway.

Actually Ive found it very common for deer to remain in sight after a muzzleloader is fired. And here the limit is 2 per day so a second shot can often be taken. It seems the noise doesnt scare them as much from a ML, and if hunting a big open field they often dont know where it came from. If you shoot one and it goes down often the other deer will stay near it for a while or come right back. Ive seen this happen while bow hunting, ML hunting , and using regular firearms so its always good to be able to do a quick reload. Plus the fact that if you shoot one early in the day you can just remain in the stand and hope for another one to come along. That happens a lot here in NC