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I'm nearly done with the rifle. All I have left to do is finish the front sight, what this really means is all I have to do is manage to work up a load and file the front sight down so it hits at the given yardage(50 yards) and then a little final bluing and it's finished. If I actually shoulder this thing for more than a few shots I may not be able to type for a long time after so I figured I better post these pictures now. Haha.
The Details: Black Walnut Stock, 16 LPI Semi-flattop Checkering, Smoothbore 1.277" dia, Full top rib with quarter rib and front ramp integral.Full bottom rib, steel ramrod with brass ends. The final weight is 24 pounds. And I made every piece of this rifle from stock, if you would like details of the build you can go to my website: Stolzer & Son's 2 Bore project
Later this week I will be strapping it down to my sight in rig that I built for this gun and getting it close to sighted in, hopefully, and then if I'm feeling really brave or just have a total laps in judgment I might actually shoot it a couple times. Bwahhahahahaha(evil Laugh)






























Any questions that you can't find the answers to in the build documentation on my website, feel free to ask.

Colin
 
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I was going to start working on load development today, so I could get the front sight finished, but I woke up to pouring rain, so I'll have to wait till it clears up. The upside is I won't have to worry about setting my pasture/Rifle Range on fire for a couple days.

I spent part of yesterday casting balls for this thing, learned a few things, like it takes a lot of lead to make any quantity of balls, I know that seems kinda obvious until you start pouring from a 20 pound pot and see how fast it disappears. When I cast the proof balls a while back I only cast enough to get the proofing done, so I wasn't really paying attention to how long it was taking to cast. Yesterday though I was trying to get an idea of what kind of production could be done and get a smooth rythme going. What I discovered is you can only cast about 1 ball about every 1.5 - 2 minutes and about every 5th ball you have to set the mould down and let it cool for a good 3-4 minutes. So the average is 1 ball about every 2.5-3 minutes. The mould is so massive and the amount of lead is so great that it would almost be worth it to machine a mould with cooling fins. I also learned that a soup ladle makes a pretty good pour, since you need a pound of lead or so at a time, so you can not only fill the mould but also keep over pouring the sprue for at least 15-20 seconds.

Colin
 
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how much money and how long to build one for a customer?

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WOW amazing!


Love shooting precision and long range. Big bores too!

Recent college grad, started a company called MK Machining where I'm developing a bullpup rifle chassis system.

 
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Thank You,

Idaho Sharpshooter, I'm back logged out to about july/august of next year right now. This one is actually a speculation gun that I built for advertising purposes and will be for sale shortly. You can contact me through my website or via email cstolzer338"@"hotmail.com remove the "" and we can discuss pricing for a custom build or the purchase of this one.

I will have video's of today's shooting to post either later tonight or in the morning. All I can say is "WOW, what an experience."

Colin
 
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The moment so many have been waiting to see; VIDEO of me actually shooting it. There should be two videos below one is hi-res(16mb) for the guys who have faster internet, and the other one is lo-res(2mb) for the dial-up users. They are the same footage of me taking three different shots; the first shot was the very first shot from the shoulder, the load was 13 drams(355 grains FFg) and patched round ball, the other two shots in the video were the final shots I made, 16 drams(437 grains FFg) and patched round ball.

Hi-res:


Lo-res:


This was the target from the last two shots in the video, shot at 50 yards:


I'm not sure exactly how to describe the felt recoil other than it was a lot, but it is still within my range of tolerance.

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Wow!! Nuff said.


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I took a little time this morning and made a frame by frame video so you could really get and idea of what kind of recoil this thing has.

Here's a link to it: http://s269.photobucket.com/al...FramexFrame2Bore.flv

It's really quite impressive when you slow it down and see what is actually happening.

Colin
 
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It's really quite impressive when you slow it down and see what is actually happening.
After watching the proof testing snippet at your site I'm surprised the thing didn't pitch you into the bales behind you. Neat stuff! Please keep us updated.
 
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This is my first attempt at case making, I need to be honest here and say that case building is clearly a skilled form that is well worth the money spent on a professional case maker. This was quite possibly one of the hardest parts of this build. Fitting and lining even this little accoutrements box took me several frustrating days to do, and the results are clearly not as nicely done as a professional case builder would be able to do. So my hats off to them, they certainly have my respect for their talents.

The Front:


The Back:


The Inside:


The Box was built from Walnut, Claro for the top and bottom, and Black for the sides. All the hardware is brass. It has a similar finish to the rifle.

I haven't decided how I am going to case the rifle yet, I'm having difficulty finding walnut of the sizes I need. White Oak is an option, but I'm not sure that is the way I want to go yet. I have also considered buying an Aluminum Flight case, and then lining it with a fitted liner.

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The rifle case is finally finished and this is now a completed set. All I'm lacking is the handle for the center of the case, I just haven't found what I am looking for yet. There are brass handles on each end of the case though, so it is easy enough to pick up and move around.

The Final details:
2 Bore
24" Smoothbore barrel
Weight 24 pounds
Full Top rib with integrated quarter rib and front ramp.
Full under rib with pipes and sling stud.
Black Walnut Stock with ebony tip.
Oil Finished.
Single leaf English express sights.
Rust Blued, with moderate coverage engraving.
16 LPI Semi-Flattop Checkering.
Both the rifle case and the accoutrements case are walnut, with a similar finish to the rifle.











I hope you enjoyed this build.

Colin
 
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Awesome.
 
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Did you Chrono those shots?


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I haven't had a chance to run any across a chrony yet, if I had to guess I would say they are probably around 1200-1300fps.

Colin
 
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That is an ABSOLUTE MASTERPIECE!!!!!!!

I am dying to know how much you're asking for it. Let me know.

Also what would a "field grade" 8 bore rifle cost?

You do some amazing work!!! Awesome talent!!

I'd like to see some more of your work.


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Big 5 Encores,

Thank you for the compliments. This particular rifle is already sold to another member on this forum.

You can read about the whole build and view other projects at my website:
Stolzer & Son's Gunsmithing

My contact information is at my website and also in my profile on this forum if you would like to discuss having one built or to discuss having an 8 Bore built.

Thanks

Colin
 
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Veery Nice indeed!Great Workmanship clap

If you decide to make one that takes a Cartridge case,I am interested! Big Grin


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Currently wiping up the drool. Simply amazing! I am absolutely impressed!
I remember October country was building big bores for a while, and after getting my hands on one of their four-bores, I've been hooked.
But a two-bore?! A half pound ball?! Absolutely phenomenal. I must say that is a feat of engineering, and absolutely a beautiful one at that.
I may have to sell my four-bore and get in contact with you sir!


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Thank You, I enjoyed building it, it was a fun project. I delivered it yesterday to Bigdoggy700. Call or email me anytime, I can always use more work in my shop.

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So, now you offer a delivery option? That is what I call customer service!!

Happy New Year!

Rich
 
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It was convenient for me because I am visiting my Sister and her family in the Chicago area for the holidays. So I just took a slight southerly route to get there and met Bigdoggy in Springfield, at least this way I didn't have to worry about any of the shipping companies making a mess of it.

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16 drams (1oz.) of powder was the high load for a 4 bore - but that one's double the ball weight, sooooooooo. We shoot 6,000gr. ball in our 1.5" cannon, course it's on a carriage with wagon wheels. Flat shooting, too. 10" at 100 yards for 8 out of 10 shots.

Your 2 bore should have about a 1.326" bore, about a 1.3" ball - About 3,200gr. ball?
No thanks for the offered shot. I'll keep my retinas where they are.

Cool gun.


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I got the advanced copy today, next months issue(Feb 2010) of "Muzzle Blasts" magazine has an article about the 2 Bore Boxlock, it starts on page 61.

Colin
 
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Good God

That thingis astouding and powerful to say the least.


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once again I am amazed at your talent. Ron
 
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Just last night, a friend called who had seen your You Tube video. I said "Heh, I wonder if that is one of the guys on AR?"

I am always in awe of people who can build such fine works of art.
 
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Thank you all for the compliments.

Funny thing is I didn't even post the Youtube video, Steve over at the Firearmsblog ran a piece on my 2 bore, and he is the one who converted one of my videos and posted it to youtube.

Colin
 
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