I see that Remington has come out with a new ML for 2006. I have been thinking about replacing my Remington 700ML with either the TC Omega or the Knight Revolution. Has anyone seen any reviews yet on Remington's latest offering?

My second question deals with "Crud Ring". I have never experienced this in my Remington (which shoots extremely well by the way). I shoot 90 grains of loose Pyrodex and have shot up to 7 consecutive shots without any cleaning to the barrel. Although accuracy dropped off after the third or fourth shot, it was still well within the boundaries of acceptable. Is this crud ring fairly common in the newer magnum style muzzleloaders? I suppose I am starting to question whether or not I should bother replacing my Remington.

That muzzle loader looked like a cheap walmart special.I laughed when I saw it.

I haven't seen a review, but here's a photo.

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My second question deals with "Crud Ring". I have never experienced this in my Remington (which shoots extremely well by the way). I shoot 90 grains of loose Pyrodex and have shot up to 7 consecutive shots without any cleaning to the barrel.

The "crud ring" is associated with 777 powder,not pyrodex.

Hey Small fish,

What's your accuracy load in the 700 ML? I can only get so-so accuracy in mine. I am shooting the Powerbelts that are 300 grains or so (can't seem to remember the exact weight) behind 120 grains of Pyrodex select. I distinctly remember towards the end of ml season that if I backed off to 100 grains or so, the group size got better. I am shooting a 209 primer and got to experiment with the new Shockly Gold powder...I was encouraged. With the 120 grain Select loading I was getting only 3-4 inch groups at 100 with a 3x9 scope, hence, I am still looking for a better loading.

Take it easy.

I use 90 grs of Pyrodex powder. 44 cal Hornady 240 grain XTP bullet and Knight Sabot (green). I get consistently good accuracy of less than 2 inch groups and often better at 100 yards. I tried heavier loads and the groups spread out. I also tried switching to 209 primers, but went back to the #11 caps. I have not had any trouble taking deer with this load. Mind you, I think the farthest shot I have ever taken on a deer is 60 yards.

I have read a lot of people slamming the Remington ML. To be honest, I have never had a problem with it. It takes a little longer to clean, but it is dependable and accurate. Sounds like I am talking myself out of buying a new one.

I have a Remington 700 in 54 cal. Great shooting rifle with 100gr Trip 7 and a MMP red sabot loaded with hornaday .451 230gr HP XTP.
Only complaint is the amount of choices for a 50 cal and hardly any for a 54 in local stores.
Fact is I haven't been able to find my MMP red sabots at all in two years.

I would like to buy another 700 in 50 cal, but I'm still going to keep my 54.

Al

The Genesis is a Traditions import, apparently even has a Traditions stamping on the rifle.

My 700ML (an early one) shot great with PR Bullets 400 grain Ult 1 HP conicals over either 90 or 100 grains of Pyro P. I also had a Cabela's 209 conversion installed. Never even tried anything else, didn't seem necessary at the time. No longer own the rifle as my son-in-law talked me out of the thing (then traded it away himself ). Don't miss the cleaning associated with that gun though, terrible.

Yeah, mine's one of the early ones too....120 grain max loading. I had a "150 grain or nothing" mentality when trying out loads...hence the so-so loads. I am seeing that in many muzzleloaders max don't get it done. It is behaving much better with lesser loads. Trying to stick with powerbelts, if anybody has any good loads with that bullet.

I know this post is about the new Genesis which I gather is a rifle made by one maker for two companies with minor changes.
But I wonder just why every one says the Remington 700 is so hard to clean? Did the early ones not come with the tube that screwed in the breach plugs threads? Mine did come with that tube. With a rag wrapped around the tube to catch over flows, I stand my 700 in a pail of very hot soapy water muzzle down and pump with a patch on a jag. After a few strokes I switch to another bucket of plain hot water as a rinse.The hot water and soap cleans the thing up real well and it dries almost instanctainly.Once dry I run a oil wet patch down the bore and i'm finished with that. The bolt tends to be the worst as I take mine apart and scrub it with an old tooth brush with black powder solvent then use dri slide on the moving parts.
I still would like to have a 50 because I like my 54 so well and the 50 would give me even more choices of powder projectile choices off the local store shelves.

Al

alleyyooper, you nailed it - THE BOLT! Most rifles are far better engineered to accomodate cleaning. Compare a Knight non-C tool bolt to the 700ML.

Interested in the Genesis? I WAS until I read this http://www.hpmuzzleloading.com/newproducts2.html

Toby's comments about the Genesis pretty much echo some of the same I heard from another Shot Show attendee. I think we can write this one off before it hits the store shelves. However, I disagree with Toby's recommendation of the Pedersoli inlines based upon my brief ownership of a Denali. Good metal, poorly done stock finish, poorly done metal finish, triggers far too heavy, insane forend retainer, and...NO PARTS available for those rifles in this country.

My recommendation for a good .50 caliber inline on the low end of the price range would be an NEF Huntsman or Sidekick. They have a few problems too but are generally good rifles and accurate performers.

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Originally posted by Hank H.:
Hey Small fish,

What's your accuracy load in the 700 ML? I can only get so-so accuracy in mine. I am shooting the Powerbelts that are 300 grains or so (can't seem to remember the exact weight) behind 120 "grains of Pyrodex select. I distinctly remember towards the end of ml season that if I backed off to 100 grains or so, the group size got better. I am shooting a 209 primer and got to experiment with the new Shockly Gold powder...I was encouraged. With the 120 grain Select loading I was getting only 3-4 inch groups at 100 with a 3x9 scope, hence, I am still looking for a better loading.

Take it easy.

Hello Hank H. I don't own a Rem 700,just a Knight "Black Knight" and a T/C Encore muzzy. I was clarifying the point about the "crud ring". It didn't show up until the 777 powder came of age. As far as I know,Pyrodex never had an issue with it. Good hunting.

I have an Omega and would not take for it.

It drives nails and is very easy to clean.

I am going to take it on a Black Bear hunt in 2008 with Collingwood Bros. in B C.

I have not doubt it will, more than adequately, do the job. Ray Collingwood says it will.

I have never had a problem one with it.

Smoke

After much comparison and research I ended up purchasing a TC Omega, SS with Laminate stock. Sweet . I just liked the way it came up to my shoulder. They could have made the trigger guard a little bigger. Now I need to mount a scope on it. Thanks for all your comments.

You guys should go over to http://www.tcarms.com/TC_HTML/TC_New_MAIN.htm

and take a look at that X7. There is something wrong with that picture though. Either that barrel is shown shorter than it really is or the rifle has a 17.75" length of pull.

Looks good, I like the peep site too.
Also wonder with so many commenting on the small trigger guard if they inlarged it a bit??

Al

Now if they would have made it to take smokeless powder they might have something.

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Originally posted by Hank H.:
Hey Small fish,

What's your accuracy load in the 700 ML? I can only get so-so accuracy in mine. I am shooting the Powerbelts that are 300 grains or so (can't seem to remember the exact weight) behind 120 grains of Pyrodex select. I distinctly remember towards the end of ml season that if I backed off to 100 grains or so, the group size got better. I am shooting a 209 primer and got to experiment with the new Shockly Gold powder...I was encouraged. With the 120 grain Select loading I was getting only 3-4 inch groups at 100 with a 3x9 scope, hence, I am still looking for a better loading.

Take it easy.

In my Remington 700 MLS, I normally load a 295-grain .50 cal Powerbelt Aerotip in front of two, 50-grain Pyrodex pellets. Ignition is provided by Remington #11 percussion caps.

Accuracy hovers around 1-1/2"-2.0" for a three-shot group. It has cleanly killed every deer I've shot with it, which is about 15-16. However, this year I am going to see how the 300-grain Hornady Bonded Shockwaves shoot, and if accuracy is comparable, I may try those. I love the accuracy with the Powerbelts, but they don't seem to put the deer down as fast as I would like.

The bolt? Yes, it is a pain in the tukas to break down and clean. Oh well. For groups like I"m getting the extra 15 minutes it takes to clean is well worth the hassle.

As far as the Genesis, I don't remember reading that it was made (in whole or partly) by Traditions. In fact, the write-up I read specifically mentioned that every model had a Remington barrel. Where did this info surface?