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Sabots and BP
29 May 2009, 17:02
Martin GodioSabots and BP
Hi,
I have not much experience with inline and sabots.
I would like to buy a new rifle, an inline from Ardesa/Traditions, Yukon model.
Have anyone shot it?
Also, I will use sabots with LBT like .432” 310gr bullets and black powder.
How do sabots works with true black powder?
Thanks
Martin
Double Rifle Shooters Society member from Argentina.
My doubles:
.577 Snider by W.Richards.
.58" ML by Pedersoli
30 May 2009, 01:41
wapiti7Martin,
Although I don't shoot BP, I don't think you'll have any problems shooting a saboted bullet with it. Just be sure to stay in your load and pressure range. I also have never shot that rifle, but most new inlines will do fine.
Good luck
01 June 2009, 16:53
Martin Godiowapiti7,
thanks for yuor answer.
Would you please give me some advice about sabot shooting? Or a link were I can reado about it?
Do you clean between shots?
Thanks
Martin
Double Rifle Shooters Society member from Argentina.
My doubles:
.577 Snider by W.Richards.
.58" ML by Pedersoli
02 June 2009, 04:08
wapiti7Martin,
What would you like to know specifically? I would definatly recommend cleaning in between shots and letting the rifle cool. So let me know what specific things you were wondering about and I'll help you out.
Thanks,
Gino
03 June 2009, 16:38
Martin GodioGino,
Thanks
I have been shooting REALs and Maxi-Hunters in my rifles and RB in smoothbores. I have shot without cleaning without problems and good accuracy.
My concern is that sabots do not have lube to solften black powder residues.
Is there any ebook or good article to read in the Net?
Thanks
Martin
Double Rifle Shooters Society member from Argentina.
My doubles:
.577 Snider by W.Richards.
.58" ML by Pedersoli
04 June 2009, 08:58
wapiti7Martin,
None that I know of. But i will help you in anyway I can. I guess i dont understand your question about the sabots. Could you be a little more specific?
Thanks
Gino
04 June 2009, 17:34
Martin GodioGino,
I beg your pardon for not been clear enough.
I have two concerns:
1- hot gases from BP solftening plastic of the sabot and smearing plastic on the barrel surface.
2- Black powder residue not letting loading second or third shots.
Also, do you recomend the use of a special starter?
Thanks
Martin
Double Rifle Shooters Society member from Argentina.
My doubles:
.577 Snider by W.Richards.
.58" ML by Pedersoli
04 June 2009, 20:22
wapiti7Martin,
As far as the hot gases go, It is not a concern. The sabots are meant to handle the heat and pressure.
And yes, there will be BP residue. And it will make loading a second sabot a little tougher. That is why I recommend cleaning between shots. If you are on the bench, thats easy to to do. If you are in the field, I recommend one patch with some spit on it to be run down the barrel. This works very well and its quick.
As far as a starter is concerned, just get one that will not damage the bullets tip and that will seat the saboted bullet down a few inches. I have such a device, but it is not yet in production. Hopefully soon!
If you need anything else, please let me know. How is the hunting down there? Ive heard its wonderful!
thanks......Gino
05 June 2009, 23:29
Martin GodioGino,
Thanks for the advises.
I will post my experiences when I get the rifle.
Hunting in Argentina is very good, you can check on Southamerican subforum, I just can not get enough time for a good hunt yet, but I hope will soon.
Thanks
Martin
Double Rifle Shooters Society member from Argentina.
My doubles:
.577 Snider by W.Richards.
.58" ML by Pedersoli
06 June 2009, 08:26
wapiti7Ok Martin. Good luck and let me know if I can help you again.
Thanks,
Gino
06 June 2009, 15:37
Martin GodioGino,
one more question:
A 1-48" barrel can be accurate with 300 gr .44 bullet+sabot?
I have an underhammer rifle that would like to try with sabots.
Thanks
Martin
Double Rifle Shooters Society member from Argentina.
My doubles:
.577 Snider by W.Richards.
.58" ML by Pedersoli
07 June 2009, 05:25
wapiti7Martin,
Unfortunatly the twist in that rifle is way too slow. You can try it, but I doubt it will shoot very well at all. About a 1:32 is as slow as you could get away with shooting a saoboted bullet. Really, 1:24 up to 1:28 is the best twist rate for this application.
Gino
08 June 2009, 16:29
Martin GodioThank you very much Gino
Martin
Double Rifle Shooters Society member from Argentina.
My doubles:
.577 Snider by W.Richards.
.58" ML by Pedersoli
09 June 2009, 05:26
wapiti7Martin,
No problem.........anytime!
14 June 2009, 19:49
bfrshooterI built a .54 Hawkin long ago, round ball twist. I load a .535" ball and .022" patch for extreme accuracy out of a .540" bore. I use Young Country lube. It will cut a ragged hole at 50 yards and I have knocked down many steel chickens off hand at 200 meters by adding a little more powder and raising the sight.
I have run 200 straight shots without ever wiping the bore, without a loss of accuracy.
My .45 flintlocks also shoot all day.
Just try that with sabot's! Friends bring them to shoot and when you need to put the ramrod against a tree to seat a bullet after the first shot, I decided I will never own one. I will get off 5 accurate shots before an inline is ready to shoot the second shot.
I have killed way over 220 deer with round balls and the .54 rivals a .300 mag for killing power. Even the .45 flinters put them down FAST. Many of my deer were shot over 100 yards.
I shoot all day for the cost wasted by inlines in an hour.
WHERE IS THE GLAMOR?
How can you beat a 1 in 48" twist and Maxi Balls?
There will never, ever be an inline in my safe!