Gents...been quite a while since I was into black powder, so please forgive my touch of ignorance on this subject.....what is the difference between a 209 muzzleloader primer and a plain 'ol 209 shotshell primer...which I have an abundance of due to shot shell reloading.
I plan on using 777 and/or Blackhorn propellant.

Times are a whole lot easier with these things (50x209 barrel) than the old percussion caps and FFg I used to shoot!

Thanks.

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since you have a bunch of standard 209's, i would use them. as i understand the theory is they are to powerful and move the charge and ball forward before it is fully ignited causing eratic ignition. the ones made for muzzleloaders are more mild. i found it is more useful in testing different primers to tune the load than relying only on ml primers. just what i have learned from four blackpowder inlines.

Thanks, Max.....I appreciate it. I'll try a few and see what happens. If there's an issue, I'll get ML primers....certainly the cheapest thing each time you pull the trigger.

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To my knowledge the winchester 209s are the same for shotgun and muzzleloader. I've tried every primer I could get and had the best luck with the WW. The weakest grouped the best in the rifles I tried. A 410 primer would probably work well but I couldn't find any locally. The biggest difference is the price. Round here they charge twice if it says for muzzleloaders. God Bless, Louis

Louis...the WW primers are what I have as I typicall reloaded AA Win hulls. We'll see what happens....Thanks.

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GarBy, go to Precision Muzzleloading products and look at the intel on systems designed to allow use of small rifle primers in the 209 primer systems. The jist is in fact that the 209 is so strong that it actually displaces the load slightly and can cause less than optimum accuracy. There is often a ring of residue at teh base of the charge from the ignition with 209 systems, referred to as the 'crud ring' often times, and IME is a pretty accurate name.

The different strength/type of ignition supplied by the small rifle primers apparently eliminates the crud ring syndrome, and makes cleaning easier, and not needed as frequently.
I have ordered a breech plug to try this system, I have not yet, but the write ups seem pretty positive.

good luck---Don

The Blackhorn powder calls for the shot shell primer as opposed to the black powder one.

I've shot both and if your gun will shoot it accurately the Blackhorn is just a much better powered, IMO

Thanks, gents...I have some Blackhorn coming.

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CCI C307 primer is a CCI209 BP subsitute. Works fine on all inlines using BP

I have had good results with the remington BP primer,but I use 3f goex blackpowder.

The muzzle loading specific primers are weaker, and are supposed to give less "crud ring" fouling with 777. As stated before Black Hawk 209 states you must use standard 209 primers. If you don't you may have hang fires.