Just got back from an elk muzzleloader hunt on the Acoma Indian reservation in New Mexico. Used my 50 cal. Lyman Great Plains Hunter flintlock, could have used percussion or in-line but I just really like flintlock. Shooting 338 gr. Platinum Powerbelts on top of 90 gr. of Triple Seven loose powder. 75 yard broadside shot with bullet found under hide behind shoulder.

It's a 5x5 and was just coming out of velvet with a few small patches of velvet still on the antlers. The antlers are gnarly full of bumps and it is about 47 inches wide. The biologist pulled some teeth for aging and estimates it at probably over 10 years old with the antlers in decline. The ivories are worn totally flat down to the gum level. It gross scored 348.

A few more pics at:

http://sports.webshots.com/album/574529945cOoltf

Congrats on the rocklock elk. Looks to many a fine meal lying there, but it will be interesting to see if the age presents a problem with edibility.

So the triple 7 fired ok in the main charge. Did you prime with i also?

Congrats also on a nice elk! Did it run much after being hit?

Thanks,

I've been using a T7 main charge for several years in this gun. Taken a number of animals with it. The delay is a tad longer. I use 4F black in the pan. Can't use T7 in the pan, it just fizzes.

It only walked about 60 yards into some think cover but it did stay on its feet for quite awhile.

Try a pinch of black on the bottom of the main charge to speed up ignition time.

Very nice bull, congratulations! Age of the animal dosn't have anything to do with the edibility of the meat. I shot a whitetail doe that was so old the biologist couldn't age it and merely marked it down as 8+ years and it was excellent eating, a buddy of mine shot a doe in MI that they estimated at 12 years and it was excellent. I had a hunter I was guideing shoot an old arthritic scrub bull(feral) and it was the BEST tasting beef I have ever eaten and the other people that ate it all made the same comment. It wasn't the most tender, but then I would expect any free range bull to be.

A 348 5x5, that's a TOAD! Congratulations on a very nice elk.

Congrats!!

Just wanted to throw this out for anyone that may have albums on webshots.com.

You may notice that the pictures above in my original post are not there anymore. They were hosted on webshots.com. Last week 161 of my photos and videos were without notice removed by webshots. It was 15 albums that I began putting out there over 7 years ago and they had over 65,000 views.

When I sent a message asking where they had gone I received the following response, main emphasis claimed seems to be a violation of posting child pornography. Copy and paste as follows:

“Because people of all ages and backgrounds share photos and videos on Webshots, we remove material that is offensive to or inappropriate for our membership. We remove pornography, sexually explicit content and violent material. We also remove photos showing full or partial nudity, including those of children.

In accordance with our polic IES , we have removed 161 of your photos and/or videos. If we believe that you are engaged in illegal activities, we have the right to share your personal information with law enforcement, including your IP address.”

My response to the above was, copy and paste:

“So which of the above mentioned categories do you feel my photos fall into? They were primarily successful hunting photos. Every one of them was tastefully presented just as you would see on the front cover of any hunting magazine in Barnes and Noble or the supermarket magazine aisle. Hunting is legal in all 50 states. I noticed hunting ads on every one of my photo pages. Are those sponsors aware that you do not allow hunting photos?”

From Webshots I then received this response, main emphasis now seems to have shifted to copyright infringement, general nudity, and genitalia. copy and paste:

“We also remove images immediately if a copyright holder reports a violation. Generally images obtained from books, magazines, calendars or other websites should not be posted to the Webshots Community without the permission of the publisher or website owner.

Webshots does not permit the online storage or sharing of photos containing pornographic material, and will delete images or albums containing this material or any material violating the Webshots Terms of Use. Specific examples of images removed for adult
content include, but are not limited to:

Nudity
Women in sheer or wet tops
Women or men wearing thongs (g-strings)
Photos that concentrate on the genital area”

My response to them then was:

“Plain and simple, I simply do not understand how any of your responses apply to any of my photos in any way. It's as if you are referring to someone else’s pictures. Have you actually and personally seen them? doesn't seem so! They are my own images, they have never been published nor copyrighted by me or anyone else, guaranteed. They are not pornographic or sexual in nature by anyone's conceivable standards. Many are nature or wildlife scenes without any people, the only people are myself and a few of my 25 year old son, completely and fully clothed, long pants, long sleeve shirt, boots, very often with a hat and coat.”

Webshots response in its entirety from this morning was, and I consider this to be their final response as I feel they finally came clean on the real reason.

“Thank you for contacting Webshots Customer Support.

The albums are full of pictures with dead animals. Please read webshots terms of use before uploading.”

I have read their terms and there is nothing about hunting or dead animals, of course there is about child pornography, nudity, and copyright.


Just thought I’d let others know in case you are using webshots. I’m going to try and let some of their hunting sponsors know and I’ll be putting my albums on photobucket, see how they work out there. I’ll also be posting this in a number of forums that I post to regularly so you may see this post in other places.

What a bunch of IDIOTS!! Glad I don't use them.

I am willing to BET that it is one anti hunter there that made that decision. I would definately contact anyone that is paying to advertise hunting services there, that they consider hunting to be the same as child porn. I'm glad I don't have any photos there!

Wow! I had no idea Webshots was run by a bunch of damned photo nazis. I'll never deal with them.