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I am wondering what kind of accuracy you get with your Muzzleloader. I had to work up a load for a while to get really good accuracy with mine but now I have 8 in group at 100 with open sites from my little 54 cal CVA stalker 59.99. | ||
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When I do my part my flintlock smoothbore .62 Tulle Fusil de Chasse will shoot into four inches at 50 yards. Doing my part without a rear sight has grown increasingly difficult so it will get a rear blade before next season. Good hunting! | |||
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My Knight inline off the rest shooting at a paper plate at 100yrds I can get 3" groups with open sights. That is using 80grs of RS and a sabot 240gr XTP bullet. My 54cal Lyman Great Planes with a slow twist and using 100grs of RS and a patched round ball will do 4" and less off a rest at 100yrds. Freehand is another story, but I can keep 5 shots in a paper plate at 50yrds about a 4" group. The inlines are not all that much better than a good patched rounball gun with proper load work up. Swiftshot What load are you shooting in your 54cal CVA Stalker? Swede --------------------------------------------------------- NRA Life Member | |||
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Hornady Great Plains Conical 425 grain with 80 grains of powder. | |||
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I have an Omega 50 and shoot primarily Hornady SST's in sabots with 777 powder. It has a Leupold 3X10 on it. I bought it early this year for use in the upcoming deer season. After lots of reading about them, looking at them, and finally shooting one, I think the Omega is one of the better ML's out there. Since January, I've probably put about 200 or so rounds down range with it using various powders and bullets. I keep hearing about all these "Sub-one-inch groups" all over the place shot out of Savage ML's, Omega's, Encore's, Knight's, etc. but have honestly only shot two three shot groups that measured less than 1" at 100 yards. They were both about 7/8" and the barrel was swabbed pretty clean between each shot. Realistically, I get average groups of about 2-3" at 100 yards off the bench. Some bullets I shot would not do better than 6 " or so. I think it all comes down to the combination of what your rifle likes and the consistancy of your loading. Good shooting. | |||
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I won a CVA Firebolt Ultramag in a raffle. It came with the 45 cal barrel installed, but also included a 50 cal barrel. The price tag was $164.95 I jumped on my Harley and shopped Cabelas Hamburg cause no other store in this neck of the woods carried MZ stuff this time of year. I paid full price for a box of Pyrodex pellets, shopped the bargain cave for mmp sabots and magtech 158 gr 357mag pistol bullets. I put them all together, set out a 50 yard target and fired 3 shots freehand before it started to rain too heavily. You could cover them with a 50 cent piece. That was using the factory Firesights. To say I am pleased is an understatement! I have not yet tried the mag load of three pellets or the loose triple seven. Hunting spring gobblers is taking most of my free time but that season ends this Saturday. | |||
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ML's can really be picky about finding that honey load which will consistently get one inch groups at 100yds. Some are just incapable of doing it, but yours more than likely is. It may take some accurizing such as bedding and or some hand-lapping. Many have problems with 777; my Encore would do little better than 4" groups with it, but will do one inch groups with a powder we can no longer get--when that's gone, I'll have to start all over!  ************************ Our independence is dying. | |||
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I have both the T/c Encore and Omega (thumbhole stock) in 50 cAl. The encore with a Nikon 2x7 monarch - Omega 2.5 x 8 Leupold. I shoot the same load in both guns. Barnes 250 expander in front of 120 grains of 777. Consistently 3 shots touching at 100 yards with both guns. I have chrono'd the Encore at 2215fps with SD of only 3fps between shots. I have not chrono'd the Omega as yet. I spent alot of time trying vvarious loads and powders to find that this works so well. Many como's I tried were horrible. Example - CVA powerbelts would not get a 12" group at 50 yards in either gun but htey were very loose in the bore. The Barnes are tight, even in a clean barrel which is what I think makes the difference. | |||
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Took a while working up the load but dawm its fun. Open sights no inline stuff just an cheap percussion cap. I was excited when I started hitting shotgun clays 6 out of 7 at 100. With a 60 dollar gun. Have not taken it out hunting yet but I cant wait. I want to see what that 54 cal will do to a little whitetail. | |||
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Savage ML II shoots em into one ragged hole at 100 meters all day and half the night if you want to...300 grain 45 FN at 2312-2320 FPS | |||
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The Savage 10 ML11 that I have now is accurate and reliable. The only reason I have a ML is for the second season. I had a TC Renegade 54 for a long time. I never got reliable performance from it. It might get 4" groups at 100 yds with the round ball but then shoot a blooper and hit low at 50 yds a month later. It was a decision to put it over the fireplace or sell it. I sold it and now it's memory will fade. The Savage will shoot the 250 gr SST into 1.5 moa. I use the factory load at 1975 fps. I have not shot the gun since last year and it does not seem that I am interested to shooting it again much. It' cost $500 mailorder. They are not cheap price wise. Join the NRA | |||
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Savage 99; I had the same problems with my .54 TC Hawken. Followed a few tips from a gentlemen off the web and have consistently got 4" groups at 85 yrds since then..the tip...if you don't have a good powder scale, get one and weight the rb. I usually discard 30% to 50% of a box regardless of manufacturer for being 1.5 to 3 grains off. I also experimented with various soluable oils to use as patch lube, different thicknesses of cotton cloth and found ones that works for me. Must say, I was ready to sell it. Had been practicing at 80 to 100 yrds for a Bear hunt in NW Montana. Got there, sighted in and I was dead on at 60 yrds, 1 foot right and 1 foot low at 100 yrds. Didn't get a shot due to weather but went back in Sept and didn't have a problem when I sighted in. Guide has been shooting BP for yrs and wasn't suprised with my inital problem nor with what I found wrong. Frontstuffers are very particular. No different than reloading....got to find the right combination. | |||
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Lost Oki, You just have to be right. It was not easy and I never got interested enough in it to even ask about it. The final straw was when I fired off the charged barrel a month after the season and the shot hit a foot low at 50 yds. Join the NRA | |||
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A muzzleloader is like most regular rifles,you have to work with them to get them accurate.Below is some groups I condensed with the savage and a couple with my encoreand knight   | |||
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