I am thinking about getting a Ruger stainless muzzle loader before they totally disapear.Has any one fooled with one.I am either getting it or a .50 encore.I am leaning towards the encore.I need another muzzleloader like another hole in the head.I think I have 18 rifle muzzleloaders and about 4 pistol muzzleloaders.

I can't help with a Ruger but I have an Encore Stainless Steel in 50cal that I like a lot.

I had over 16 muzzle loading rifles before I came across the Knight Preditor at the time I beleive it was the best on the market.

Do you have accuracy or ignition problems with your other rifles?
Accuracy or ignition problems was the reason I went to Knight inline.

I now have 3 Knights, 1 Lyman Great Plaines, and 1 Encore I am a Black Powder junkee.

I have one of the ruger 77/50 in blue walnut.I think that it was one of the most over looked muzzleloades on the market.The one I have is very accurate useing about any grain bullet I wanted to shoot.I haven't even shot it in a couple years but I let a friend use it last year and he shot it at 50 yds hit dead center of the target,before we went into the woods,after the days hunt he shot the same target to empty the gun it went in the same hole.
I think if ruger had advertized it more it would have done well,the only draw back was the trigger mine came with a 8 lb trigger after working on the trigger it shot unbeliveable. I took 7 deer,all head shots from 20 to 75 yds with it.
Have went through a lot of muzzleloaders too but only have 4 left now,2 savages,encore 45 and 50 barrels and the ruger.

I almost bought a Remington last year because they were $150 at Sams club.I have never seen one of the Rugers in person.I saw they had them on closeout at a distributor.I think they were $269.I have 18 muzzle loaders but no .50 inline.I like the Marlin stainless rifles I have but they use caps.i am trying to have them converted to Primers.That was the problem with the Remingtons.I hate caps they hardly ever go off in fog or rain.I have small primer adapters on all my Muzzleloads but they quit making them.I have two double rifles a CVA and a Kodiak.The cva never fired both barrels until I changed it to primers.The Kodiak sprayed fire down you left arm that sucked.I converted it too .They both shoot like inlines but the rifling is 1in 48 which limits sabots I can use.I can hardly shoot iron sites past 50 yards and I want scopes on my muzzle loaders if I can.I might try the Marlin .54 on moose if i ever get a permit.

I have had a 77/50 for years and believe it to be as good as any out there. Mine is blue with walnut stock, also accuratley shoots about anything I have introduced it to. I converted the ignition to the 209 primer as I was having an occassional miss fire with #10 caps. problem over and I'm very happy. Good shootng. Smoker1

I just bought a stainless allweather M77/50 at a reduced price..(are they out of print??) took it back to Michigan for a whitetail hunt, killed two nice fat does with TC shockwave 250 gr and two 50/50 pyrodex pellets. This load groups at 2" at 100 yds .. just ordered a 209 conversion from Cabelas while they still have them.. like the rifle.. Les

had one and it was a very nice rifle. only drawback is you can't get fiber optic sights for it. I don't have the greatest eye sight and that was a major problem for me. in my opinion for the money the omega is unbeatable.

Modern inlines... what is the point?

If you must have a modern rifle, then get a .30-06 and call it done.

The point is that a 30-06 is not a muzzleloader and using a muzzleloading rifle I can put in for muzzleloading elk and get drawn more than once in fifty years. Possibly you live where you just buy tags and hunt anything you want but some of us have to put in a lottery to get drawn to hunt anything. We also only get to shoot one deer or elk if we manage to get drawn. I read about the guys shooting several doe and then a buck (I am really envious of those guys). I need the pure meat from wild game and my elk from last year is about gone and this year I did not get drawn for anything.

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Originally posted by Sixgun Symphony:
Modern inlines... what is the point?

If you must have a modern rifle, then get a .30-06 and call it done.

Where I hunt mostly we cannot use rifles to hunt deer,only shotguns and muzzleloaders. I'd be "done" if I only had a .30-06. We hunt for over 3 weeks with just a muzzleloader season. That's WHY!

The inlines are modern firearms, they belong in the modern firearms season.

Muzzleloading season is for antiques and replicas.

Gee, tell the antis that. I'm sure they'd like to hear from you.

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Originally posted by bdhuntr:
Gee, tell the antis that. I'm sure they'd like to hear from you.

Then why not allow modern firearms in the bow season?

Hi,DGR. Merry Christmas. I've used my stainless Ruger M/L for a couple of years now and am very satisfied with it. I converted it to musket cap ignition and have never had a failure to ignite. In early August it went with me to South Africa and cleanly harvested 4 plains game animals with 4 shots. Don't let the so-called "purists" get to you. There's room for everybody. I hunt with flintlocks and in-lines, and anyone who thinks an in-line is just like a .30-06 has a lot of education to acquire. Good luck.

Six, bow season is for bows, not firearms. A muzzleloader loads from the muzzle. Anything else is incidental.

Your argument is based on emotion, not logic. Just like the antis.

No, the inlines are a modern rifle. As such they belong to the modern rifle season.

Muzzleloading firearms season was set aside for antiques and replicas.

If the modern inlines did not have advantages over the traditional designs, then there would not be a market for them.

Taking a modern rifle into a special hunt set aside for obsolete weapons is rather unsporting.

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Originally posted by Sixgun Symphony:
No, the inlines are a modern rifle. As such they belong to the modern rifle season.

Muzzleloading firearms season was set aside for antiques and replicas.

If the modern inlines did not have advantages over the traditional designs, then there would not be a market for them.

Taking a modern rifle into a special hunt set aside for obsolete weapons is rather unsporting.

well here in colorado it is just like the "traditional" season because you can't use any of the modern equiptment. and if it was a season for traditional or antique they should of called it the traditional or antique season.. besides I can still drop pellets and a power belt bullet down the barrel of a so called traditional muzzleloader.If you want to shoot somthing with a spark from a rock and a lead ball than do it and leave everyone else alone.. why don't you complain about people using compound bows instead of recurves. same thing

and you said it yourself obsolete weapons are usually discarded for a better replacement.

just wanted to add to the first question. you can get a 209 primer conversion for a ruger muzzleloader now as well as the musket conversion

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Originally posted by dartfreak8:
and you said it yourself obsolete weapons are usually discarded for a better replacement.

Goes back to my point, get a .30-06 and call it done.

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Originally posted by dartfreak8:
[QUOTE]... and if it was a season for traditional or antique they should of called it the traditional or antique season..

Point is that "muzzleloader" was the word for traditional antique before Tony Knight invented the first modern inline.

These modern inlines are made for unethical slobs who want to bring a modern rifle into what was a special season created for antiques and replicas.

On pellets, the reason why your modern inlines use shotgun primers is because the pellets do not ignite as readily as blackpowder.

If someone invented a modern rifle that was legal for bow season, you guys would be buying it.

well if your such a purist then maybe you should grab you a spear or a big rock and start huntin.. fact of the matter is technology improves! either improve with it or get left behind.

well if you want the truth you can't use pellets here in colorado anyway. And as for the 209 primers your just pissed because yours won't go off in the rain.. boo hoo and as for ethics whats more "ethical" shooting a more reliable and accurate weapon and taking an animal cleanly or perhaps getting a short hang fire and wounding an animal or just having a weapon that isn't as accurate as it could be and having the same thing happen. simple truth a muzzleloader loads from the muzzle therefore you can use it in muzzleloader season. I guess you'll just have to deal with it or take your 30-06 in rifle season. maybe next you'll complain because I use a more high tech caliber, optics and a range finder than you in rifle season therefore I am an unethical slob for that as well.

Six, you are the perfect hunter. That is, for PETA, the Sierra Club and every other org that would like to see hunting banned. Good for you and your purist, holier-than-thou attitude.

For the record, I have had misfires with my inline. They can still get wet, the cap can fail to ignite, the list goes on. They are not centerfires, and they are not repeaters.

I use my muzzleloader (Rem 700 MLS)during firearms season. I could use a shotgun (the county I live in is a shotgun county), but I prefer my BP rifle, even though I am handicapped with only one shot. I guess I should pat myself on the back, since I am using a one-shot rifle, while these unethical slobs choose to use shotguns with multiple follow-up shots. Give me a break!

If inlines were the devil's handiwork, then why have so many game departments allowed them during muzzleloader seasons? And in Maryland, my home state, that's what it is- muzzleloader season. Not traditional, or antique, but muzzleloader. And if you do some research, you will find that the inline ignition has been around almost as long as the percussion cap. It was just prohibitively expensive to manufacture vs. a sidelock.

But why do so many states allow inlines, especially scoped inlines shooting sabotted bullets? Maybe because they realize that it increases hunter numbers, which is vital to controlling spiralling deer populations, especially here in the East. Is that what really bothers you, that you know you have to compete in the woods with smokepolers that weren't there before?

Regardless, your statement that these hunts are for "obsolete" weapons is foolish. A Sharps carbine chambered in .45-70 is obsolete (don't beleive me? Ask Custer). Would anyone here hesitate to hunt black bears with one? It will kill a bruin just as dead as your WSM's, that's for sure.

If it's legal, it's legal. If you don't like it, don't post inflammatory comments for all the world (i.e., the Antis)to see and use against us.

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Originally posted by dartfreak8:
... fact of the matter is technology improves! either improve with it or get left behind.

You got a modern rifle season. I got a muzzleloading season.

You keep to your season and I will keep to mine and we will get along.

bdhuntr,

If your inline rifle is an antique or a reproduction, then no problem.

But you know that the modern inlines are just that, a modern rifle. Heck, Savage makes an inline ML rifle that uses smokeless gunpowder. You know that ain't right.

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These modern inlines are made for unethical slobs who want to bring a modern rifle into what was a special season created for antiques and replicas.

First off what has your remarks got to do with how a ruger muzleloader shoot?
Second you say you belong to the nra and calling other hunters unethical slobs because they like another type of rifle than you?
Third I have hunted with a side lock for many years,an took lots of deer with them.I have hunted the last several years with a inline and like them a lot better.Before you get your panties in a wad I have been using a savage the last 2 years and really like it,does it kill deer any better than a side lock don't think so.Have seen a lot of dead deer and for the life of me could not tell one was any deader than the other.If you like the side lock better, go for it I don't think that makes you a slob but i do think your wanting to put your beliefs on others makes you worse than a slob.If the game department in your state didn't want you to use inlines they would spell it out for you in their regs.I for one use what I want if it is legal suggest you do the same and leave the bad mouthing out.Calling other hunters names isn't going to get you an at ta boy.

Don't you moderaters recognize a TROLL when you see one?? I can see this getting out of hand.. Les

I found some more Ruger Muzzleloaders I was wondering if the stainless fiberglass stock one would be the best.I wonder if Cabelas still has the primer conversion?CDNN had them but theirs are all gone.I guess the guys who have them for sale bought them from there.I need a muzzleloader bigger than .50 for moose.I have those Marlin .54 stainless rifles but they fire caps.I have tried my primer adapters in the but its a pain to reload with a scope.Is the maximum load for the Rugers muzzle loaders 100 grains or 150 grains?I think they look awesome but I hagve never seen one in person.

I found a bunch of Ruger Muzzle loaders for $209 about every model which one should I buy?I am thinking one all weather and one officers model to keep in the box not many made.I think this is a very good buy.

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Originally posted by Sixgun Symphony:

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Originally posted by dartfreak8:
... fact of the matter is technology improves! either improve with it or get left behind.

You got a modern rifle season. I got a muzzleloading season.

You keep to your season and I will keep to mine and we will get along.

We don't need to get along with you as you just need to crawl back under that rock you came out from under. Get a life pal.