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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Yet, the goal of the scientists and the govt was caution on the side of the well being of citizens.

The goal of the "individualists" was to protect their worldview, which was based in fomented distrust of govt control, and conspiracy theory thereof, be damned fellow citizens.

It will be the same scenario next time.

Each are compelled to do their duty, to serve fellow citizens, or to serve one's worldview bedamned fellow citizens.

Extrapolate that!!!!

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Who is "they,' and why are you, a self-professed educator, on a mission to belittle science?

He is not belittling science…he is belittling the politics.

“They” is the MSM and The Bureaucracy. Essentially the MSM is the mouthpiece of The Bureaucracy in present day USA. “The pen is mightier than the sword” and has replaced it as the tool for control.

He (or “they” in this instance) who controls the narrative…controls the people.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Serving one’s fellow citizens is best done by following actual science…not being a sheep.

Do you HAVE to discredit the science to abide your worldview?

Why not just say I abide my worldview regardless of the science?

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Originally posted by shankspony:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Yet, the goal of the scientists and the govt was caution on the side of the well being of citizens.

The goal of the "individualists" was to protect their worldview, which was based in fomented distrust of govt control, and conspiracy theory thereof, be damned fellow citizens.

It will be the same scenario next time.

Each are compelled to do their duty, to serve fellow citizens, or to serve one's worldview bedamned fellow citizens.

Extrapolate that!!!!

So what you are saying is that doing the wrong thing, If its for a good cause, is acceptable for govts.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Serving one’s fellow citizens is best done by following actual science…not being a sheep.

Do you HAVE to discredit the science to abide your worldview?

Why not just say I abide my worldview regardless of the science?

ME,
I actually AM a scientist. I have authored and published multiple peer reviewed scientific papers. How many do you have under your belt?

I read, interpret, utilize, and build upon scientific literature DAILY. I built a very good reputation in my industry and make a very good living doing that! How much have you done?

I am asked to speak on science at international meetings. When was the last time you received a phone call?

You have zero actual idea about any science you rant about.

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Originally posted by MJines:
MAGAggots talking about science, that's hilarious.
So, what is your definition of MAGAggots? Just because someone feels nationalistic and feels subjectively that Trump is better than Biden?
Let's see, bleach and UV lights, Ivermectin, space lasers, raking forest floors, windmills and environmentally-friendly light bulbs cause cancer and the list goes on.

Yes, Trump and some of his folks are pretty bizarre. So is Biden and some of his supporters.

Ivermectin had some scientific evidence at the beginning of the pandemic- frankly as much as masking did.

Windmills causing cancer? Maybe the electrical fields associated with high voltage power generation or some of the no products used in making them… how far downfield are you willing to look? Pretty far if you espouse climate change. Yes, I get that some of the vocal Trumpites and the Donald himself are incapable of explaining anything, but the same folks going on about him make excuses for their “side” of the equation.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by shankspony:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Yet, the goal of the scientists and the govt was caution on the side of the well being of citizens.

The goal of the "individualists" was to protect their worldview, which was based in fomented distrust of govt control, and conspiracy theory thereof, be damned fellow citizens.

It will be the same scenario next time.

Each are compelled to do their duty, to serve fellow citizens, or to serve one's worldview bedamned fellow citizens.

Extrapolate that!!!!

So what you are saying is that doing the wrong thing, If its for a good cause, is acceptable for govts.

Your worldview is not my cause.

And who is to say something is wrong?

If the assessment comes from worldview protection then consider the source.

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Originally posted by crbutler:

Yes, Trump and some of his folks are pretty bizarre. So is Biden and some of his supporters.

Ivermectin had some scientific evidence at the beginning of the pandemic- frankly as much as masking did.

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Originally posted by theback40:
Wno decides what is a good cause?

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Originally posted by skb:
As long as the science fits your preconceived political views, you are all for science Lane. As soon as it does not you start spouting conspiracy theories about the MSM all the while ignoring the bias in the media that prefer to consume.

A real scientist all right, one that rides for the brand.

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Originally posted by shankspony:

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Originally posted by crbutler:

Yes, Trump and some of his folks are pretty bizarre. So is Biden and some of his supporters.

Ivermectin had some scientific evidence at the beginning of the pandemic- frankly as much as masking did.

There is a good point there. One that I can understand why such leads too mistrust.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by shankspony:

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Originally posted by crbutler:

Yes, Trump and some of his folks are pretty bizarre. So is Biden and some of his supporters.

Ivermectin had some scientific evidence at the beginning of the pandemic- frankly as much as masking did.

There is a good point there. One that I can understand why such leads too mistrust.

Healthcare workers and staff wear masks.

They don't take ivermectin.

Go figure.

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Conclusion

Our systematic review found limited evidence that the use of masks might reduce the risk of viral respiratory infections. In the community setting, we found no evidence regarding the use of masks by the general public outside the home, but found a possible reduction on the risk of influenzalike illness when masks are used at least a few hours a day by a population in a specific area. In health care workers, the best available evidence shows no difference between N95 masks and surgical masks on the risk of confirmed influenza or other confirmed viral respiratory infections, although our results suggest a possible benefit from N95 masks for preventing influenzalike illness or other clinical respiratory infections. Surgical masks might be superior to cloth masks but data are limited to 1 trial.

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . wherever it leads . . . so long as it leads right. Problem is when something only makes right turns it ends up going in a circle.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by shankspony:

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Originally posted by crbutler:

Yes, Trump and some of his folks are pretty bizarre. So is Biden and some of his supporters.

Ivermectin had some scientific evidence at the beginning of the pandemic- frankly as much as masking did.

There is a good point there. One that I can understand why such leads too mistrust.

Healthcare workers and staff wear masks.

They don't take ivermectin.

Go figure.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . wherever it leads . . . so long as it leads right. Problem is when something only makes right turns it ends up going in a circle.

I am a right wing conventional conservative. I make no bones about.

When it comes to science however…good science is what it is and I follow it.

Point out any scientific facts I argue against. Hell, I remember back in 2010s having to argue good science on lion hunting with you who wanted to deny it. Now my position (the actual science) is pretty much universally accepted.

You are right there with ME when it comes to interpreting science…you can barely tell your ass from a hole in the ground.

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Originally posted by Schrodinger:
Hey, Mr. Scientist, you remember this statement in April 2021:

“By June, Covid will be as scarce as hen’s teeth in Texas.”

In fact. three months after your July date, there more than 60,000 cases and over 300 deaths per day in Texas.

Hen’s teeth.

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Originally posted by Schrodinger:
Hey, Mr. Scientist, you remember this statement in April 2021:

“By June, Covid will be as scarce as hen’s teeth in Texas.”

In fact. three months after your July date, there more than 60,000 cases and over 300 deaths per day in Texas.

Hen’s teeth.

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Originally posted by Schrodinger:
Tell us, Mr Scientist what your position on Intervectem

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . wherever it leads . . . so long as it leads right. Problem is when something only makes right turns it ends up going in a circle.

I am a right wing conventional conservative. I make no bones about.

When it comes to science however…good science is what it is and I follow it.

Point out any scientific facts I argue against. Hell, I remember back in 2010s having to argue good science on lion hunting with you who wanted to deny it. Now my position (the actual science) is pretty much universally accepted.

You are right there with ME when it comes to interpreting science…you can barely tell your ass from a hole in the ground.

Nice try Lane but you are not fooling anyone here. Everyone knows your views on science, life, religion, etc. are all shaded, colored and contorted by your political views. You are the epitome of close minded.

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Originally posted by Schrodinger:
So, you’re telling us that the source of the virus threw your scientific predictions off?

A manipulated virus can’t be expected to behave as a wild-type…the whole point of the manipulation.

And come on, being a scientist you are trying to tell us definitively that this virus came from a lab?

No 100% proof of that yet. But the evidence is compelling in that direction. The only evidence I see in opposition is that a zoonosis is possible.

Are you completely going nuts. You’re a god damn vet.

And your a fucking lawyer.

I am a vet, a vet with advanced education and board certification. I am a Diplomate of the American College of Veterinary Surgeons.

But, what qualifies me as a scientist is research I have conducted and publication of peer-reviewed papers on that research.

Is every vet a scientist?

They are men & women of science with extensive scientific education.

And what does you financial success have to with making you a scientist?

That finnancial success is a measurement of my ability and success of taking cutting-edge science and applying it to equine athletes and advancing it to a higher level.

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Originally posted by Schrodinger:
I guess one could say that we are making “progress”, seeing you using the word “fucking.”

Only towards you. I would never use it with a reasonable person.

I do believe in fighting fire with fire…sometimes to God’s disdain.

Who is and isn’t a scientist is a blurry line,

Peer-reviewed publication of original research is certainly a clear-cut divider.

yet merely because one is employed in a field that is science based doesn’t make make one a scientist. I’ll give you a marginal analogy: The University of Oregon’s medical school is considered one of the best for patient care. Harvard is considered one of the best in educating students for a career in research.
Based on your own description, it strikes that your work is primarily treating sport horses.

I am an equine orthopedic surgeon and sports medicine practitioner for sure. But, I have advanced the area through science of from where I entered it — with novel surgical procedures, novel imaging strategies for early diagnosis of injury, and the implementation of biologics for once untreated maladies.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Actually, anyone can recommend an aspirin.

It’s OTC, so it doesn’t matter your profession.

I’ve treated pets before when it was either minor or emergent.

Just like you would be foolish to refuse medical advice from a vet as compared to someone with no pharmacological training.

As an example, bacterial infection. Amoxicillin works identically in people and horses… it just dosing and elimination rates are vastly different.

We still use ivermectin medically, just not for Covid. I expect the average vet is more familiar with the Med than I just because the diseases it’s useful for are way more common in animal populations than in people. The drugs often come off the same assembly lines.

I’m not certain if vets get different DEA licenses than human medicine practitioners- but they do use controlled substances at times.

Heck, vets are even prescribing depression meds to dogs and cats nowdays…

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I would tell him to Call an ambulance. I would put a tourniquet on myself before o would let a vet or emt do it. I expect a vet to keep driving as he has no duty to rescue.

What is clear is Dr. Easter is no more an expert on Covid, abortion policy, or gender dysphoria than any of us. He is certainly not when compared to the real express and the DSM 5. In fact, there are Social Workers who are more authoritative on gender than he.

I suggest tug go read a case called Delbert.

Again, when you get a headache and start fainting are you going to a vet?

Not, does Dr, Easter have some great expertise in publishing in climate change or in publishing from conducting infectious disease research. He can correct me if that statement is wrong.

No, his medical human stroke is as long as mine being a lawyer.

Give me a med record, I can tell if a doc actions is medical malpractice enough to survive summary judgement to present fact questions to a jury.