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For lying on a Form 4473 to buy a pistol then for possessing the pistol.

Only a few million Americans have casually run down the list of questions on Form 4473 checking "No" when they did, in fact, use some illegal drug or have some other situation that strict honesty would require a "Yes" answer to.


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And most gun owners don’t post their drug use on computers either.

I suspect that if you get caught with a gun and narcotics use that most folks have some legal consequence.
 
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And most gun owners don’t post their drug use on computers either.

I suspect that if you get caught with a gun and narcotics use that most folks have some legal consequence.


Since a picture from a computer can't be analyzed to determine that a substance IS a drug I wonder how they plan to prove the assertion.

That's why these charges, with no other associated criminal activity, are almost always plea deals. "Yeah, you got me but you'll have hell proving it so let's deal."

It also puts half the gun owners in States with legal recreational or medical marijuana at risk of Federal prosecution.


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Did he post it online or did a computer store owner do that?
 
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Did he post it online or did a computer store owner do that?


Republican operatives who got it from the computer store owner did. Steve Bannon has admitted he added some porn pictures, nobody knows what else may have been added or altered because there was no chain of custody, it went to Rudy Giuliani, then a copy was made of the whole thing, then somebody (Hunter just sued one) hacked his phone using data from the copy. Eventually, the FBI got the laptop but it has essentially no evidentiary value because it was altered and passed through more hands than Lauren Boebert on a hot Saturday night.


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Didnt hunter write a book, stating in it, he was an addict during the years he bought the gun?
 
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When Hunter Biden is a candidate for political office, I'll remember to give a shit.


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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
When Hunter Biden is a candidate for political office, I'll remember to give a shit.


Then you support getting rid of those particular gun laws.
 
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And most gun owners don’t post their drug use on computers either.

I suspect that if you get caught with a gun and narcotics use that most folks have some legal consequence.


Since a picture from a computer can't be analyzed to determine that a substance IS a drug I wonder how they plan to prove the assertion.

That's why these charges, with no other associated criminal activity, are almost always plea deals. "Yeah, you got me but you'll have hell proving it so let's deal."

It also puts half the gun owners in States with legal recreational or medical marijuana at risk of Federal prosecution.


Given medical views on marijuana, so?

If you can’t stay away from psychoactive substances, maybe you don’t have the required judgement.

That’s an argument for changing the gun laws.

If you want to make substance use a non exclusion for gun rights, go ahead. Pass the law federally.

The way the law should be written vs the way it is written is a problem.

Do you feel comfortable with a cop on duty taking amphetamines and antipsychotic drugs?
 
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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
When Hunter Biden is a candidate for political office, I'll remember to give a shit.


Then you support getting rid of those particular gun laws.


I don't need you to tell me what I do and don't support, thank you very much.

My point is I don't give a rat's ass about Hunter Biden. And, the only folks that do are trumptards.


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“All gun laws are unconstitutional. Unless we’re talking about a Democrat’s son”

Hey-Remember when you guys cried about a drone strike that killed an American who had gone to the Middle East to become a jihadist, fighting the west? I had never imagined you crying for Muslim extremists.

Remember when you cried that Osama bin Laden …wasn’t dead enough(???) (wtf???). Because the Republican president before didn’t kill him at all.

Republicans have turned “Crybaby” into an art form.
 
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Originally posted by crbutler:
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Originally posted by Jefffive:
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Originally posted by crbutler:
And most gun owners don’t post their drug use on computers either.

I suspect that if you get caught with a gun and narcotics use that most folks have some legal consequence.


Since a picture from a computer can't be analyzed to determine that a substance IS a drug I wonder how they plan to prove the assertion.

That's why these charges, with no other associated criminal activity, are almost always plea deals. "Yeah, you got me but you'll have hell proving it so let's deal."

It also puts half the gun owners in States with legal recreational or medical marijuana at risk of Federal prosecution.


Given medical views on marijuana, so?

If you can’t stay away from psychoactive substances, maybe you don’t have the required judgement.

That’s an argument for changing the gun laws.

If you want to make substance use a non exclusion for gun rights, go ahead. Pass the law federally.

The way the law should be written vs the way it is written is a problem.

Do you feel comfortable with a cop on duty taking amphetamines and antipsychotic drugs?


Do YOU feel comfortable with cops being murdering sociopath pieces of shit while NOT on drugs?
 
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No.
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Originally posted by crbutler:
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Originally posted by Jefffive:
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Originally posted by crbutler:
And most gun owners don’t post their drug use on computers either.

I suspect that if you get caught with a gun and narcotics use that most folks have some legal consequence.


Since a picture from a computer can't be analyzed to determine that a substance IS a drug I wonder how they plan to prove the assertion.

That's why these charges, with no other associated criminal activity, are almost always plea deals. "Yeah, you got me but you'll have hell proving it so let's deal."

It also puts half the gun owners in States with legal recreational or medical marijuana at risk of Federal prosecution.


Given medical views on marijuana, so?

If you can’t stay away from psychoactive substances, maybe you don’t have the required judgement.

That’s an argument for changing the gun laws.

If you want to make substance use a non exclusion for gun rights, go ahead. Pass the law federally.

The way the law should be written vs the way it is written is a problem.

Do you feel comfortable with a cop on duty taking amphetamines and antipsychotic drugs?


Do YOU feel comfortable with cops being murdering sociopath pieces of shit while NOT on drugs?
 
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If you are an officer of the court, don’t you have an obligation to care if the law is followed?
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Originally posted by crbutler:
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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
When Hunter Biden is a candidate for political office, I'll remember to give a shit.


Then you support getting rid of those particular gun laws.


I don't need you to tell me what I do and don't support, thank you very much.

My point is I don't give a rat's ass about Hunter Biden. And, the only folks that do are trumptards.
 
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If you are an officer of the court, don’t you have an obligation to care if the law is followed?
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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
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Originally posted by crbutler:
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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
When Hunter Biden is a candidate for political office, I'll remember to give a shit.


Then you support getting rid of those particular gun laws.


I don't need you to tell me what I do and don't support, thank you very much.

My point is I don't give a rat's ass about Hunter Biden. And, the only folks that do are trumptards.


Expect to hear a lot about "selective prosecution". With a large portion of all approved gun sales in States that have legalized marijuana implicating this Law how many have been prosecuted under it?

181,000 applications were denied in one recent year, all for lying on Form 4473, there were 12 prosecutions.


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181,000 applications were denied in one recent year, all for lying on Form 4473, there were 12 prosecutions.


So, Hunter is being selectively prosecuted for being Biden's son? I don't care if he pays the price, but sounds snaky to me. How about a special investigator now for Jared's 2 billion dollar grift from the Saudis? Seems a bit bigger of a deal to me.
 
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181,000 applications were denied in one recent year, all for lying on Form 4473, there were 12 prosecutions.


So, Hunter is being selectively prosecuted for being Biden's son? I don't care if he pays the price, but sounds snaky to me. How about a special investigator now for Jared's 2 billion dollar grift from the Saudis? Seems a bit bigger of a deal to me.


Certainly an argument that can be made to a jury.


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except jareds is not a gift it's an investment, unless you can prove otherwise.
See how shady deals work for both sides.
An end should be put to all of it.

Hunter should have used the gun on himself. One less useless addict in the world is a good thing.
 
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If you are an officer of the court, don’t you have an obligation to care if the law is followed?
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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
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Originally posted by crbutler:
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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
When Hunter Biden is a candidate for political office, I'll remember to give a shit.


Then you support getting rid of those particular gun laws.


I don't need you to tell me what I do and don't support, thank you very much.

My point is I don't give a rat's ass about Hunter Biden. And, the only folks that do are trumptards.


Yeah, and you should have been arrested for speeding to work this morning.

You and I both know that this is the kind of case that never would have gotten a second look from a US Attorney but for the fact that he is Biden's son. Waste of judicial resources when you have real criminals like your candidate out there. Purely political.

There will be a plea deal with no jail time, some financial renumeration and probation.


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except jareds is not a gift it's an investment, unless you can prove otherwise.
See how shady deals work for both sides.
An end should be put to all of it.

Hunter should have used the gun on himself. One less useless addict in the world is a good thing.


Investment, my ass bud. It's influence peddling on the off-chance that trump gets elected in 2024. Jared will probably be appointed Secretary of State so he can repay the Saudi's with some sweetheart deals.


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Sure it is, but no more provable than Bidens dealings. As I said, none of this should be allowed.
 
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except jareds is not a gift it's an investment, unless you can prove otherwise.
See how shady deals work for both sides.
An end should be put to all of it.

Hunter should have used the gun on himself. One less useless addict in the world is a good thing.


Too bad rush Limbaugh didn’t blow his worthless brains out, too. Right? I mean that dumb bastard lied more than trump. The world is a better place without him.
 
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Would have been fine with me. Add drunks to the addicts. Cut down on the wife and kid beatings along with the drunk driving deaths.
They're nothing but a drag on society.
 
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Sure it is, but no more provable than Bidens dealings. As I said, none of this should be allowed.


Give me one reason why the Saudi's would give $2 Billion dollars to that moron other than the fact that they know it buys them favor with trump.

And, you'll have to send me some facts about Biden's "dealings". Nobody else seems to be able to.....


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Read what I said dumbass, I agreed with you!
 
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Sure it is, but no more provable than Bidens dealings. As I said, none of this should be allowed.


Give me one reason why the Saudi's would give $2 Billion dollars to that moron other than the fact that they know it buys them favor with trump.

And, you'll have to send me some facts about Biden's "dealings". Nobody else seems to be able to.....


That $2 billion was Kushner's commission. Remember when MBS rounded up a minor shitload of lesser Royals and held them hostage in luxury hotels, threw in a little torture here and there?

Kushner gave him U.S. intel on who had money stashed overseas, how much they had and where. That week allegedly netted him just over $100 billion from supposedly "disloyal" members of the royal family, Kushner's $2 billion was a rounding error.


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He appears to have intentionally lied on the form democrats insisted on to prevent gun crime by keeping stupid criminals from legally buying guns.

Prosecutor can still give him a sweetheart deal so don’t panic. Hope he doesn’t get an anti-gun judge who will hammer the gun owning criminal?
 
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So the Republicans have got their revenge by keeping cannabis illegal, despite all the evidence that its bad social and medical policy.
 
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We shouldn't forget this from less than a month ago:

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WASHINGTON (AP) — A federal appeals court has ruled that drug users shouldn’t automatically be banned from having guns, marking the latest sign of upheaval in the nation’s firearm legal landscape and raising questions about a law cited in the case against Hunter Biden.


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So the Republicans have got their revenge by keeping cannabis illegal, despite all the evidence that its bad social and medical policy.


It's all ass-backwards. You can be a raging drunk and buy a gun. And, that's worked out well.

https://publichealth.jhu.edu/s...and-gun-violence.pdf


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Hunter and the "Big Guy" should both be indicted if there was any justice in this country.
 
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Hunter and the "Big Guy" should both be indicted if there was any justice in this country.


For what crime? You disliking the fact that Biden got more votes than any Presidential candidate in history and beat Trump?


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Hunter and the "Big Guy" should both be indicted if there was any justice in this country.


The "big guy" that ought to be indicted already has been.....four times now.

Since JudgeG and Doc Butler can't tell me, maybe you can.....what should Biden be indicted for and what evidence do you rely on? coffee


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So the Republicans have got their revenge by keeping cannabis illegal, despite all the evidence that it’s bad social and medical policy.


Actually, there is no medical evidence supporting legalized recreational cannabis.

There is limited medical evidence for some use of THC in certain illnesses.

There is plenty of evidence that use of cannabis before the brain is mature is harmful.

Brain maturity is supposedly around 21-25 years of age if I recall correctly.

Social policy, while it’s not my area, I don’t think legalization is good. Decriminalizing it may have some positive impacts, but you will be seeing increased use in kids because it’s legally available.
 
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So the Republicans have got their revenge by keeping cannabis illegal, despite all the evidence that it’s bad social and medical policy.


Actually, there is no medical evidence supporting legalized recreational cannabis.

There is limited medical evidence for some use of THC in certain illnesses.

There is plenty of evidence that use of cannabis before the brain is mature is harmful.

Brain maturity is supposedly around 21-25 years of age if I recall correctly.

Social policy, while it’s not my area, I don’t think legalization is good. Decriminalizing it may have some positive impacts, but you will be seeing increased use in kids because it’s legally available.


Now compare it medically with alcohol, overall and exposure before the brain matures.


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Booze kills and harms way more people than weed. Drunk driving, health problems, domestic problems. I remember I use to watch the show "Cops" with my kid, he loved it. And, one day he says, out of the blue, "It seems like all these people that the police end up arresting are drunk." And, it's true.

Putting people in jail for smoking weed is a ridiculous waste of police, court and corrections resources not to mention the impact it has on the folks who get arrested. It should be legalized and taxed.


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Both of you are approaching it more from a social end, with different perspectives.

Sure, alcohol is problematic for kids- we did try banning it, and it didn’t work.

That’s essentially your argument (that we tried banning pot, and it didn’t work)…

As to pot being “better” than alcohol, I doubt it. Different, yes.

I think pot will be found to have a much more significant impact on mental illness than alcohol.

Alcohol will have a more significant effect on renal and hepatic disease.

As for taxing it, good luck. That’s where your benefits go away. We are not regulating pot (todays THC content is astronomical compared to what it was in the 60’s counterculture mainstreaming of cannabis abuse). And the taxation is high enough that we are not seeing eradication of illicit channels due to profit removal.
 
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Both of you are approaching it more from a social end, with different perspectives.

Sure, alcohol is problematic for kids- we did try banning it, and it didn’t work.

That’s essentially your argument (that we tried banning pot, and it didn’t work)…

As to pot being “better” than alcohol, I doubt it. Different, yes.

I think pot will be found to have a much more significant impact on mental illness than alcohol.

Alcohol will have a more significant effect on renal and hepatic disease.

As for taxing it, good luck. That’s where your benefits go away. We are not regulating pot (todays THC content is astronomical compared to what it was in the 60’s counterculture mainstreaming of cannabis abuse). And the taxation is high enough that we are not seeing eradication of illicit channels due to profit removal.


Educate yourself.

https://www.fool.com/research/...ax-revenue-by-state/

California generated over a billion dollars in tax revenue last year relating to the legal sale of cannabis.

Texas is losing an estimated $400 million in tax revenue by continuing to adhere to the archaic cannabis prohibition.

People are going to smoke weed. Period. Making it illegal isn't going to stop it. That ship has sailed unless you haven't been paying attention for the past 100 years.


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Your stated objective was to reduce crime by legalizing it and getting the dealers out of it.

There are lots of illegal dealers still operating. The tax rates are high enough that the illicit dealers are making plenty of profit, so they have not gone away.

The argument isn’t whether or not a state can turn a profit off of legalizing.

The benefit of removing the problems associated with criminal drug dealers are not being met.
 
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Booze kills and harms way more people than weed.


This was more true when many more people drank than ingested cannabis.
It remains to be seen how this will play out in the future.


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