Recently saw this on Pictures of the week
This may be true BUT if you remove the murders in:
1. Chicago
2. Detroit
3. Washington D.C.
4. St. Louis
5. New Orleans
The US is then 189th out of 193 countries in the entire world.
Whats going on???
All 5 of those cities have STRICT Gun Control Laws.
Whats going on in those 5 cities to generate so many murders?

Appears New Orleans spiraled down after Katrina.

You put groups of disparate people together and you have conflict.

There is no longer the policy of assimilation of immigrants and we are now going more and more down the road of identity politics. The major cities really do play up the identity aspects.

That drives some of the worst of the gang type crime.

Detroit does not have strict gun control laws, I grew up there and now live not to far away.

I don't know where you read that, but the data in that report must be strenuously twisted...

https://www.google.com/search?...ceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

The US is not nr 3, as pointed, and removing those cities doesn't make it nr 189 out 193 either.

Compare intentional homicide rates of states here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...ional_homicide_rate

To homicide rates by country here:
https://worldpopulationreview....rder-rate-by-country

Only the states of New Hampshire (0.9) and Maine (1.6) have a lower murder rate than France (1.2) and the UK (1.2). The murder rates Spain (0.62), Italy (0.57), Australia (0.89) and many other countries are all lower than even the US state with the lowest murder rate. Taking out a few cities won't affect most states.

Many countries have poor or no reporting.

These numbers have very little meaning un less one could get all the countries on the same reporting standards.

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Originally posted by p dog shooter:
Many countries have poor or no reporting.

These numbers have very little meaning un less one could get all the countries on the same reporting standards.

I think the difference on reporting in US vs Europe about intentional homicide isn't that great. Sure, the definition might be slightly different, but the similarity is enough to get an idea about differences and similarities in number of intentional murders. I wouldn't compare it to Central Afican Republic though.

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Originally posted by p dog shooter:
Many countries have poor or no reporting.

These numbers have very little meaning un less one could get all the countries on the same reporting standards.

We know how many people are murdered here each year, as does France, Australia, and any other western country. If you are referring to South Africa, Sudan etc maybe you have a point.

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We know how many people are murdered here each year, as does France, Australia, and any other western country. If you are referring to South Africa, Sudan etc maybe you have a point.

Do we.

Do they have same reporting standards.

Do they record and measure the same way to they classify them the same why.

If not the number do no mean much at all.

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Originally posted by BushPeter:
The US is not nr 3, as pointed, and removing those cities doesn't make it nr 189 out 193 either.

Compare intentional homicide rates of states here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...ional_homicide_rate

To homicide rates by country here:
https://worldpopulationreview....rder-rate-by-country

Only the states of New Hampshire (0.9) and Maine (1.6) have a lower murder rate than France (1.2) and the UK (1.2). The murder rates Spain (0.62), Italy (0.57), Australia (0.89) and many other countries are all lower than even the US state with the lowest murder rate. Taking out a few cities won't affect most states.

I live in Maine and we have one of the highest guns per household in the whole country. Why do you figure our murder rate is so low? I can say the predominance of murders these days are drug related followed by domestic violence. Drug dealers send some of their people here to poor areas to set up shop. They bring in poor locals and eventually it goes bad.

Suicide is a big one.

Many nations don’t consider suicide a homicide.

We tend to lump them in.

If one is talking about gun violence, if you remove suicide from it, numbers are better for the US.

Throw all types of suicide in as violence, and most of the developed world gets closer to us.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Suicide is a big one.

Many nations don’t consider suicide a homicide.

We tend to lump them in.

If one is talking about gun violence, if you remove suicide from it, numbers are better for the US.

Throw all types of suicide in as violence, and most of the developed world gets closer to us.

On the worldpopulation review suicides aren't included, and they list both US and European countries. The wiki-page by states has a slightly higher overall homicide rate (6.6 vs 4.96), but that difference is not enough to be explained by suicides.

The suicide rate for the US is around 14.5, and overall in Europe around 10.5. It's similar in Scandinavia compared to the US. Sweden (12.4), Norway (11.8), Finland (13.4). In these countries people are usually, self-reported, the happiest, but it is also known they suffer from winter-depressions. Most of western Europe is quite a bit lower than the US. France (9.7), Germany (8.3),UK (6.9), Spain (5.3), Italy (4.3).

https://ourworldindata.org/suicide

Within the US it seems New Jersey has one of the lowest rates, with 7.1. In general the mid-west seems to have a high suicide rate. Montana (26.1), Utah (20.8), New Mexico (24.2), Idaho (23.2), Wyoming (30.5), Colorado (21.5).
There are some very contrasting neighbouring states though: Vermont (18.1) is much higher than other states in the area (New York 8, Massachussets 8.4).

https://www.cdc.gov/suicide/su...-rates-by-state.html

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Suicide is a big one.

Many nations don’t consider suicide a homicide.

We tend to lump them in.

If one is talking about gun violence, if you remove suicide from it, numbers are better for the US.

Throw all types of suicide in as violence, and most of the developed world gets closer to us.

The same people who support "death with dignity" do an about-face if there is a firearm involved (ten cents for a cartridge as opposed to a bill from a doctor and pharmacy). Now it's a "gun death" and reprehensible.

In all fairness though, it's messy and someone has to take a mop and bucket to do the unpleasant clean-up afterwards.
An unkind gesture to the family...

We still do not let 18 year olds but not consume alcohol.