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Every now and then I see the words "common sense,"usually to buttress the poster's argument.

It might be useful to recall Albert Einstein's comment:

"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen."

Einstein made his reputation by ignoring and defying common sense.

Maybe common sense isn't the limit we need.
 
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I remember reading when one of Einstein’s theories was proven correct.

A contemporary of Einstein looked at a bust, may have been a portrait, “Forgive us, Sir Isaac, your universe has been overthrown.”
 
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Common sense is the power of reasoning that lets you check the oil & water and fill the fuel tank in a vehicle you are unfamiliar with and lets you know you need to.


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Or the brakes on trains?
 
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Common sense not even all that common...


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I remember reading when one of Einstein’s theories was proven correct.

A contemporary of Einstein looked at a bust, may have been a portrait, “Forgive us, Sir Isaac, your universe has been overthrown.”


Actually, both of his major theories, Special Relativity and General Relativity, have been proved by experimental observations.
 
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None of Einstein’s theories have been proven.

They have been experimentally supported, but relativity is still a theory, not a scientific law.

Newton’s laws are a law, it’s just been refined to note that in some circumstances it does not apply ( they now preface it with the conditions it applies in.)

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I remember reading when one of Einstein’s theories was proven correct.

A contemporary of Einstein looked at a bust, may have been a portrait, “Forgive us, Sir Isaac, your universe has been overthrown.”


Actually, both of his major theories, Special Relativity and General Relativity, have been proved by experimental observations.
 
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I remember reading when one of Einstein’s theories was proven correct.

A contemporary of Einstein looked at a bust, may have been a portrait, “Forgive us, Sir Isaac, your universe has been overthrown.”


Actually, both of his major theories, Special Relativity and General Relativity, have been proved by experimental observations.


I believe so. Obviously, so. I just did not remember which theory that quote refers to.

A quick google search of the quote Dr. Butler will prove the quote. I believe I am 99-100 on the verbiage.

I find the quote interesting because it is true. Einstein did re-write Newtown’s universe. However, for most of us, and everyday Newton’s 3 laws are more present. Gravity is still it king.

I know the guy who said it was a professional skeptic of Einstein.
 
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I should have written "demonstrated," not "proved" in the sense of near-universal acceptance of, say, the Theory of Evolution or Newton's three laws of motion.
 
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Demonstrated and Repeated.

I used the word proven. I believe the theories, at least one of them, have been proven to the same extent as Newton’s 3 Laws were. I do fine being wrong.

The reason Newton’s 3 Laws are called Laws and not theory is demonstration through the Scientific Method and repeated results.
 
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None of Einstein’s theories have been proven.

They have been experimentally supported, but relativity is still a theory, not a scientific law.

Newton’s laws are a law, it’s just been refined to note that in some circumstances it does not apply ( they now preface it with the conditions it applies in.)

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I remember reading when one of Einstein’s theories was proven correct.

A contemporary of Einstein looked at a bust, may have been a portrait, “Forgive us, Sir Isaac, your universe has been overthrown.”


Actually, both of his major theories, Special Relativity and General Relativity, have been proved by experimental observations.


Dr. Butler for the win.

There is no way to “prove” Relativity in the world we live in today. It is proven mathematically but not in reality.

It is a theory we operate on. And, it didn’t throw Newton’s universe out the window…it built upon it.


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I will trust the experts and not you.
 
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Relativity is a theory. It has not been fully tested, and really cannot until we develop more technology so as to test the whole theory.

It is not a scientific law, but has been verified to some extent as holding generally... but with exceptions.

As from Popular Mechanics:

Einstein put together huge theories about the nature of gravity and time, working with what he was able to know at the time. Since then, advances in the entire field known as quantum mechanics have called certain of Einstein’s ideas into question in certain contexts. These are almost all on the molecular or particular scale in a way Einstein simply had no way to observe—the same way he never had an optical lattice clock.

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https://www.popularmechanics.c...g-theory-relativity/

That an atomic bomb works is evidence that the theory holds... but is it absolutely true, or are there situations that show this wrong?

We don't know.

Thus it is a theory.

But, I agree that it hasn't been disproven.

I also am a bit uncertain just how much a theory has to be proven before it becomes accepted as a scientific law. I have heard that laws are just accepted as factual... I don't know.

I do know that Einstein's theories are being continually tested, and at least hold true as far as we have been able to test them, excepting using quantum theory.
 
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Special Relativity Theory defies common sense. It showed that the speed of light is a constant regardless of the direction of travel.

Suppose you stand in a speeding train and shoot a gun toward the front of the train. The speed of the bullet, relative to the earth, is velocity of the train plus velocity of bullet out of the gun. If you shoot toward the rear of the train, you'd subtract the train's velocity from bullet velocity to find the velocity of the bullet relative to the ground.

Common sense tells you the same should happen with a beam of light. It doesn't. The speed of light is the same whether you shoot toward the front or rear of the train. What happens instead is that the wavelength of light becomes longer. From the perspective of the bullet, a light from the front of the train would, while not changing velocity, shift into red wavelengths, a so-called red shift.

To date, every test of the above confirms the Theory of Special Relativity.
 
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I don't know all the details either, but I do recall a line in a song from the early 60s that said, "Brother, when Einstein's scared, I'm scared."
 
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Special Relativity Theory defies common sense. It showed that the speed of light is a constant regardless of the direction of travel.

Suppose you stand in a speeding train and shoot a gun toward the front of the train. The speed of the bullet, relative to the earth, is velocity of the train plus velocity of bullet out of the gun. If you shoot toward the rear of the train, you'd subtract the train's velocity from bullet velocity to find the velocity of the bullet relative to the ground.

Common sense tells you the same should happen with a beam of light. It doesn't. The speed of light is the same whether you shoot toward the front or rear of the train. What happens instead is that the wavelength of light becomes longer. From the perspective of the bullet, a light from the front of the train would, while not changing velocity, shift into red wavelengths, a so-called red shift.

To date, every test of the above confirms the Theory of Special Relativity.


If you understand the difference between photons and matter particles…it is common sense.


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A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House

No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
 
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Originally posted by crbutler:
Relativity is a theory. It has not been fully tested, and really cannot until we develop more technology so as to test the whole theory.

It is not a scientific law, but has been verified to some extent as holding generally... but with exceptions.

As from Popular Mechanics:

Einstein put together huge theories about the nature of gravity and time, working with what he was able to know at the time. Since then, advances in the entire field known as quantum mechanics have called certain of Einstein’s ideas into question in certain contexts. These are almost all on the molecular or particular scale in a way Einstein simply had no way to observe—the same way he never had an optical lattice clock.

from:
https://www.popularmechanics.c...g-theory-relativity/

That an atomic bomb works is evidence that the theory holds... but is it absolutely true, or are there situations that show this wrong?

We don't know.

Thus it is a theory.

But, I agree that it hasn't been disproven.

I also am a bit uncertain just how much a theory has to be proven before it becomes accepted as a scientific law. I have heard that laws are just accepted as factual... I don't know.

I do know that Einstein's theories are being continually tested, and at least hold true as far as we have been able to test them, excepting using quantum theory.


BOOM


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A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House

No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
 
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An everyday demonstration of the reality of relativity is seen in the operation of the Global Positioning System (GPS). See:

https://www.astronomy.ohio-sta...st162/Unit5/gps.html
 
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Read "Einstein Plus Two" for an interesting interpretation of the matter.


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