Harris up by 7 points nationally.

https://thehill.com/homenews/a...t-harris-trump-lead/

Not too surprising considering Trump keeps tripping over his own dick. I have noticed the Trumpiteers here have about quit apologizing for his repeated lies and gaffes. I guess they’re just plain worn out….

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Originally posted by jdollar:
Not too surprising considering Trump keeps tripping over his own dick. I have noticed the Trumpiteers here have about quit apologizing for his repeated lies and gaffes. I guess they’re just plain worn out….

Shit, they're so tired of being unable to respond to the criticisms (because they know the criticisms are warranted), they want to shut down the crater.

James Carville has a "feeling" that Harris is gonna win.

https://youtu.be/CRLSxPnQdHw?si=_tWrFfSGaV34oWAA

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IMO, watch out for the October Surprise.

Who knows? My gut tells me Harris will win going away. But, nothing would surprise me.

The truly interesting question is what will happen if Harris does win and it's close. As it almost certainly will be.

We all know how that went last time. trump doesn't accept election results unless he wins.

It will have to be sorted out, somehow.

It's a bad thing, IMO, that Trump's lies have been institutionalized within the election system.

There are a few states where they have adopted manual counts, as I understand it - Georgia for example.

There are several examples in various states where rules were changed by election deniers, based on Trump's lies, and subject to change again at the last minute.

IOW, election deniers have rigged it, and even that isn't enough. If Trump loses, they will still make lies.

Interesting conundrum - if Trump wins, Europe goes to Putin, Taiwan goes to China, North Korea …well, remains crazy North Korea…and Trump joins the ranks of the planets despotic autocrats as Emperor of America.

If Harris wins, the MAGAts will almost certainly stage an uprising and attempt a coup; you can bet it’s already well into the planning stages. This time they’ll be better organized and even more determined, offering a fair chance of a civil war. A Trump with nothing to lose will not hesitate to burn it all down.

I have absolutely no doubt that Putin has Trump over a barrel with compromat and unpaid personal loans; repayment being in the form of favourable foreign policy. ‘Dumber’ let the cat out of the bag when American banks would no longer touch Trump, and he boasted “We get all the money we need out of Russia.”

I do not see a normal, peaceful election or transition of power. It’ll be interesting to see if the U.S. will survive intact. I really hope I don’t end up living next door to West Russia.

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
It will have to be sorted out, somehow.

It's a bad thing, IMO, that Trump's lies have been institutionalized within the election system.

There are a few states where they have adopted manual counts, as I understand it - Georgia for example.

There are several examples in various states where rules were changed by election deniers, based on Trump's lies, and subject to change again at the last minute.

IOW, election deniers have rigged it, and even that isn't enough. If Trump loses, they will still make lies.

I just want to see trump gone and in the rear-view. And, you know the funny thing is, I bet that 90% of the folks on here that are going to vote for trump hope so too. They don't like trump. They just can't bring themselves to vote for Harris.

He is a shit-stirring cancer that has poisoned the national debate and turned us against each other in a way that I can't recall in my lifetime.

Trump is the tumor.

The cellular level cancer is the GOP itself.

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by jdollar:
Not too surprising considering Trump keeps tripping over his own dick. I have noticed the Trumpiteers here have about quit apologizing for his repeated lies and gaffes. I guess they’re just plain worn out….

Shit, they're so tired of being unable to respond to the criticisms (because they know the criticisms are warranted), they want to shut down the crater.

May be it has finally dawned on them what he is really like.

While you lefties have your heads stuck up the stupis lefties politics arse you are unable to see daylight!

Bimbo Commie Kamala Word Salad!

Leading a country?

She is unable to run her mouth with any sense!

Always entertaining to come here and see what all the liberals have their panties in a wad about today. Tomorrow it will be something else. Wash, rinse, repeat.

quote:

Originally posted by Gundog 64:
Always entertaining to come here and see what all the liberals have their panties in a wad about today. Tomorrow it will be something else. Wash, rinse, repeat.

Intelligent and logical rebuttals are always welcome. Can you offer one?

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by jdollar:
Not too surprising considering Trump keeps tripping over his own dick. I have noticed the Trumpiteers here have about quit apologizing for his repeated lies and gaffes. I guess they’re just plain worn out….

Shit, they're so tired of being unable to respond to the criticisms (because they know the criticisms are warranted), they want to shut down the crater.

May be it has finally dawned on them what he is really like.

While you lefties have your heads stuck up the stupis lefties politics arse you are unable to see daylight!

Bimbo Commie Kamala Word Salad!

Leading a country?

She is unable to run her mouth with any sense!

Saeed, you comment from the cheap seats.

I don't think any of us believe Harris is perfect. But, some of us know she is a damn sight better than the alternative.

quote:

Originally posted by Gundog 64:
Always entertaining to come here and see what all the liberals have their panties in a wad about today. Tomorrow it will be something else. Wash, rinse, repeat.

Run your mouth and run away.

Post up something other than this whine and let's talk about it.

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by jdollar:
Not too surprising considering Trump keeps tripping over his own dick. I have noticed the Trumpiteers here have about quit apologizing for his repeated lies and gaffes. I guess they’re just plain worn out….

Shit, they're so tired of being unable to respond to the criticisms (because they know the criticisms are warranted), they want to shut down the crater.

May be it has finally dawned on them what he is really like.

While you lefties have your heads stuck up the stupis lefties politics arse you are unable to see daylight!

Bimbo Commie Kamala Word Salad!

Leading a country?

She is unable to run her mouth with any sense!

It's really odd--weird, even--but the Trumpies' use of the term "word salad" to describe Harris's speech has dried up since the debate.

They ate their words salad, I guess.

This guy knows trump very well. He also damn sure knows business. He doesn't sugar coat anything for anybody, never has. And this he said on Fox "News".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw_Bc-zP9-Q

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
Trump is the tumor.

The cellular level cancer is the GOP itself.

Ok, so?

You're young and energetic right?

We agree, the GOP need to go away, Clorox clean, removed from the political table. Get after it Man. Find it in yourself or find someone to run on a rabidly right wing platform that includes truth, integrity, pragmatism, honor and responsibility. "No we can't, no I won't, no we shouldn't, no I don't want to." Yes we should maintain and improve Eisenhower's federal highways, no we can't help Sudan or Zimbabwe. Yes we can defeat Islamic Terrorists and bring DPRK back into the fold, no we won't genuflect to the latest GLB123 silliness.

We're waiting.

I think we are trying.

The current Trump, Jan 6, SC Lt Gov is a good example of trying.

That and my vote and my refusal to donate to Trump, those like Trump, and anyone endorsed by Trump.

I accept the results of the election.

Frankly, the dna change is going to have to come out of Texas GOP. Texas bc of its size is to the GOP what California is to the Dem.

That is all I can do. Argue my positions from anchored in law, policy second, vote, and not give money.

The last 3 election cycles have taught many nothing. The GOP has to moderate and come back to the center.

This language of real Americans, and American is only this one narrow view has got to stop.

Maybe this election cycle will be the break point. I kind of doubt it. The House is going to be Dem. The White House is a toss up, and the Senate should go GOP.

I am voting for VP Harris.
I will not vote for anyone like Vance, Comer (who I expect to run in the KY Gov GOP Primary), Gates, Greene.

I do not ride for the brand. The brand has to sell itself to me.

You have generally convinced me on foreign policy.

A good example is Ukraine. No one on the current Administration has defined what a realistic strategic goal is. Wars on win at a strategic level. This is going to cause heat, but so be it.

Ukraine will never excel by force Russia. It simply does not have the national might to do so. Russia to Ukraine and Putin to this conflict is not Russia to Afghanistan. Putin is not that regime. Ukraine is not some far off place s w no historical, cultural, and economic insignificance.

Putin as part of himself believes Russia should dominate these former attachments in Europe. That Russia has to rebuild the land empire from a national strategic interest.

Ukraine could not get Russia out of the Crimea. Russia needs that deep power, warm water access. Putin wants to right a “wrong” from centuries ago.

By not defining a legitimate and achievable war end/goal, the Administration has provided Trump the fire to breath on Ukraine.

Now, I have no one in the Fed Government’s ear, but taking the whole, an achievable end appears to be:

1. U.S., the West, and Ukraine recognize Russia sovereignty over Crimea. This has not happened to date.

2. Russia withdrawal from mainland Ukraine.

3. Ukraine is denied membership into NATO, but may join the EU.


4. Russia, the West, and Ukraine to Ukraine military neutrality.

And

5. Embargoes, sanctions, and some seized assets lifted off Russia. The current sanctions and seized property used as repressions to Ukraine. The specific number haggled to a hard number.


If Russia would agree to the above, but Ukraine objects, then Ukraine would be told that is fine, but you go from this point on so the U.S. support.

The inability of the Biden Administration to define achievable end goal is not in the U.S. best interest. The inability to define an achievable end goal declaring simply, “ We will win” creates a policy vacuum for Trump to politically exploit.

Folks who cannot get local essential government functions for example: clean running water, schools funded to be safe(er), internet, a jail built (a few counties in KY do not have jails), or keep bridges from collapsing over a river here Trump say, “I will end this, and we are going to stop giving Ukraine 10 billion dollars.” Those folks see no end and no path to an end have every right to think why not let Trump just end it.

I see the goal as being for Ukraine to fight a grinding, asymmetric war with the hope that Russia gets tired of the conflict.

You know, the way the VC beat the US in Vietnam, and the way the Taliban beat us in Afghanistan. Even if it takes twenty years.

If Harris wins the election, there's a good chance Putin will come to the bargaining table. If Trump wins, Putin will just wait for Trump to sell out Ukraine.

For the reasons I stated above, I do not see that working w Ukraine and Russia. They share a border. Putin has no body politic to answer to. Putin will never relinquish is empire goals. Those to him, are strategic. The Cold War never ended and must be righted.

I accept that others can tell me I am wrong.

I am not wrong on the failure of the Biden Administration ti define an achievable goal as providing sos e the Trump to take advantage of.

The U.S. voting body politic will not subsidize Ukraine for 20 years of conflict. Ukraine wo the arms and munitions of the West lead by U.S. will fall within 8 months. They simply will not have the material to keep fighting.

If VP Harris wins, Putin knows he only has to keep the hold on for 4 more years.

A negotiated peace is going to cost Ukraine and the West something. That is how negotiation works. If yuh want better then that Russia’s armies will have to be defeated and expelled. I do not see that happening so West military intervention that is too likely to create a conflict we do not want.

I am willing to be wrong.

https://www.the-independent.co...voters-b2618524.html

Isn't that interesting. Capacity crowd, people turned away.

Beats me friends, way over my head.

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:

The last 3 election cycles have taught many nothing. The GOP has to moderate and come back to the center.

I wonder about that. Political promises and slogans have become a joke. "Build a wall", MAGA, Build Back Better, No Child Left Behind, Faith Based Initiatives. Hope.

I wonder if they need to come back to the center or knock off the dishonest slogans.

I'll vote for the candidate that says,"I'm not here for you. I'll fix the roads and border, keep you as safe as the federal government can, encourage energy independence, promote environmental health and manage our public property. Beyond that, you're an adult, figure it out for yourself."

No child left behind was bipartisan legislation.

President Bush took his Texas education reform package and applied it nationally.

Sen. Ted Kennedy was instrumental in getting the legislation passed.

My issue w it and this never corrected is that it de-emphasized history and civics in public schools. These were not and remain not the focus of standardized testing that focus on math and science.

In KY public schools you have one civics class in the general curriculum in High Schools. I took multiple history and civic classes, but they were AP electives.

I can only remember taking one mandatory history class in high school.

My undergrad has done a lot of curriculum changes over the years. The non major/minor general requirement is one history class.

On another note:

Putin revised Russia nuclear doctrine yesterday. Countries who supply arms and munitions to Ukraine that are used to attack Russia are subject to nuclear retaliation.

Lane still whines about “irregularities” in the 2020 election.

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
On another note:

Putin revised Russia nuclear doctrine yesterday. Countries who supply arms and munitions to Ukraine that are used to attack Russia are subject to nuclear retaliation.

It seems as though much of the world at this point no longer GAF about Putin's nuclear sabre rattling. No wonder after the failures during testing of the Satan 2 missiles and the numerous red lines that Putin established and then were crossed. Russia is starting to look more like a third rate military than something to be feared.

quote:

Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

If Harris wins the election, there's a good chance Putin will come to the bargaining table. If Trump wins, Putin will just wait for Trump to sell out Ukraine.

I think Putin is waiting for Trump already, now, and rhetoric from Trump and Vance and GOPers in congress is prolonging the situation. Their message to Putin is clear.

As LHeym said "Putin will never relinquish is [sic] empire goals". Thus, negotiated peace with Putin is folly.

With Trump it will be the same spin as it was with the "deal" he cut with the Taliban in Afghanistan. He even invited terrorists to Camp David.
First he announced intent to pull out and set a timeline. What kind of a deal could possibly come from that? Promises, promises, knowing all they had to do was wait, knowing there was no turning back for Trump or Biden.

Zelenski knows he and Ukraine are fucked if Trump wins the election.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...6e78163f796b28&ei=12

Trump claims Ukraine is 'dead' and dismisses its defense against Putin's invasion, touts prowess of Russia
Story by Jonathan J. Cooper • 14h • 3 min read

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...9ddbf948994a2f&ei=70

Ted Cruz Calls Zelensky a 'Moron', Claims He Is Campaigning For Kamala Harris
Story by Hugh Cameron • 4h • 3 min read

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...50e708ac701fb9&ei=70

Speaker cancels meeting with Zelensky amid diplomatic scandal
Story by Justyna Lasota-Krawczyk • 3h • 2 min read

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/25...-ukraine-republicans

Republicans follow Trump’s lead of icing out Zelensky
By Kate Sullivan, Annie Grayer and Sarah Ferris, CNN
7 minute read
Updated 9:06 PM EDT, Wed September 25, 2024

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/26...ris-washington-visit

Zelensky to make urgent in-person plea to Biden and Harris as Ukraine braces for possibility of a Trump presidency
By Kevin Liptak and MJ Lee, CNN
7 minute read
Updated 6:00 AM EDT, Thu September 26, 2024

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c80rkv0k4j8o

Escalating Trump row looms over Zelensky's US visit
3 hours ago

Holly Honderich & Lucy Clarke-Billings
Jessica Parker
BBC News, in Kyiv

https://www.newsweek.com/ukrai...-musk-spacex-1959563

Ukraine Discovers Starlink on Downed Russian Shahed Drone: Report
Published Sep 26, 2024 at 6:13 AM EDT

Starlink is owned and operated by entrepreneur Elon Musk's aerospace firm, SpaceX, and accounts for a huge percentage of active satellites. Musk has vehemently denied that Starlink is being sold to Russia.

SpaceX said earlier this year that it does not "do business of any kind with the Russian government or its military."

"Starlink is not active in Russia, meaning service will not work in that country," the company said in a statement. "SpaceX has never sold or marketed Starlink in Russia, nor has it shipped equipment to locations in Russia. If Russian stores are claiming to sell Starlink for service in that country, they are scamming their customers."

"If SpaceX obtains knowledge that a Starlink terminal is being used by a sanctioned or unauthorized party, we investigate the claim and take actions to deactivate the terminal if confirmed," the company added.

A Kremlin spokesperson said in February that Starlink is "not a certified system with us" and therefore "cannot be used officially in any way."

But back in May, the then-assistant secretary of defense for space policy in the Pentagon, John Plumb, told Bloomberg that the U.S. was "heavily involved in working with the government of Ukraine and SpaceX to counter Russian illicit use of Starlink terminals."

"At this time we have successfully countered Russian use," Plumb added at the time. "But I am certain Russia will continue to try and find ways to exploit Starlink and other commercial communications systems."

Russia's use of Starlink will continue to be a problem, he said.

Moscow has made extensive use of Iranian-designed Shahed drones and the Russian-made versions, referred to as Geran uncrewed aerial vehicles (UAVs), to strike Ukraine throughout more than two-and-a-half years of full-scale war.

https://www.newsweek.com/russi...-news-report-1959174

Russia Secretly Building War Drones in China: Report
Published Sep 25, 2024 at 1:11 PM EDT

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
On another note:

Putin revised Russia nuclear doctrine yesterday. Countries who supply arms and munitions to Ukraine that are used to attack Russia are subject to nuclear retaliation.

It seems as though much of the world at this point no longer GAF about Putin's nuclear sabre rattling. No wonder after the failures during testing of the Satan 2 missiles and the numerous red lines that Putin established and then were crossed. Russia is starting to look more like a third rate military than something to be feared.

That is the most worrying if true.

We have tatical nuclear munitions. Some subs are equipped w nuclear armed torpedoes. They exists to kill other big subs.


He may be at the head of a third rate military, but it is a third rate military that can deliver a nuclear tactical or strategic response.

I wonder if such a tatical nuclear munition were used in Ukraine, if that would prompt the President to seek a Declaration of War?

If so, how would the vote go.

Does not Musk own/control starlink?

That Kamala will possibly be the next president is a disaster for the country, but it is entirely the fault of the Trumpeteers. They shouted down and ridiculed anyone who had the temerity to suggest that their over-aged, inarticulate, self-centered, candidate was anything less than the saviour of the nation. As a consequence of this, good, electable candidates withdrew, and we are left with a candidate who is well past his best before date and is probably not electable. His debate performance was so bad that he doesn't dare to try another.
Still, the Democrat's candidate is just as bad in many ways and should not even be considered for the job. However, the Wokesters in the party got their way and have their DEI candidate. The future just doesn't look that bright. The faithful on both sides won't see it though, they will be happy with a win and the nation be damned. Regards, Bill.

quote:

Originally posted by Bill Leeper:
That Kamala will possibly be the next president is a disaster for the country, but it is entirely the fault of the Trumpeteers. They shouted down and ridiculed anyone who had the temerity to suggest that their over-aged, inarticulate, self-centered, candidate was anything less than the saviour of the nation. As a consequence of this, good, electable candidates withdrew, and we are left with a candidate who is well past his best before date and is probably not electable. His debate performance was so bad that he doesn't dare to try another.
Still, the Democrat's candidate is just as bad in many ways and should not even be considered for the job. However, the Wokesters in the party got their way and have their DEI candidate. The future just doesn't look that bright. The faithful on both sides won't see it though, they will be happy with a win and the nation be damned. Regards, Bill.

What nonsense. I am so tired of hearing the same old FOX talking points from every right winger...."woke" and "DEI" blah blah blah.

Harris isn't going to be a disaster. You and the country will be fine.

And, there's nothing about Harris that is as bad as trump.

Anyone else notice....the "wisdom" put forth on this political forum?

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
On another note:

Putin revised Russia nuclear doctrine yesterday. Countries who supply arms and munitions to Ukraine that are used to attack Russia are subject to nuclear retaliation.

It seems as though much of the world at this point no longer GAF about Putin's nuclear sabre rattling. No wonder after the failures during testing of the Satan 2 missiles and the numerous red lines that Putin established and then were crossed. Russia is starting to look more like a third rate military than something to be feared.

That is the most worrying if true.

We have tatical nuclear munitions. Some subs are equipped w nuclear armed torpedoes. They exists to kill other big subs.


He may be at the head of a third rate military, but it is a third rate military that can deliver a nuclear tactical or strategic response.

I wonder if such a tatical nuclear munition were used in Ukraine, if that would prompt the President to seek a Declaration of War?

If so, how would the vote go.

Does not Musk own/control starlink?

Isn't the point, can he deliver?

I wouldn't want to dismiss anything nuke from anyone, but Vlad is the guy who duct tapes Cabela's gps's to the dashboard of his fighter jets. Will his nukes launch? Will his nukes reach the intended target?

I'm skeptical of Vlads ability, but as I've said before were I POTUS id be sending a steady drum beat of offers of assistance in securing Russian nukes.

I cannot answer that.

My life philosophy is to expect the worst and pray for the best. You will never be caught unprepared.

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by Bill Leeper:
That Kamala will possibly be the next president is a disaster for the country, but it is entirely the fault of the Trumpeteers. They shouted down and ridiculed anyone who had the temerity to suggest that their over-aged, inarticulate, self-centered, candidate was anything less than the saviour of the nation. As a consequence of this, good, electable candidates withdrew, and we are left with a candidate who is well past his best before date and is probably not electable. His debate performance was so bad that he doesn't dare to try another.
Still, the Democrat's candidate is just as bad in many ways and should not even be considered for the job. However, the Wokesters in the party got their way and have their DEI candidate. The future just doesn't look that bright. The faithful on both sides won't see it though, they will be happy with a win and the nation be damned. Regards, Bill.

What nonsense. I am so tired of hearing the same old FOX talking points from every right winger...."woke" and "DEI" blah blah blah.

Harris isn't going to be a disaster. You and the country will be fine.

And, there's nothing about Harris that is as bad as trump.

See what I mean?

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:
https://www.the-independent.co...voters-b2618524.html

Isn't that interesting. Capacity crowd, people turned away.

Beats me friends, way over my head.

In a 6,000 seat arena, they quit booking larger venues because the empty seats looked bad, but they still hire people off Craigslist to make a crowd. That's why folks start hitting the exits after ten minutes, they have to take a picture of Trump on stage to get paid.

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
On another note:

Putin revised Russia nuclear doctrine yesterday. Countries who supply arms and munitions to Ukraine that are used to attack Russia are subject to nuclear retaliation.

It seems as though much of the world at this point no longer GAF about Putin's nuclear sabre rattling. No wonder after the failures during testing of the Satan 2 missiles and the numerous red lines that Putin established and then were crossed. Russia is starting to look more like a third rate military than something to be feared.

That is the most worrying if true.

We have tatical nuclear munitions. Some subs are equipped w nuclear armed torpedoes. They exists to kill other big subs.


He may be at the head of a third rate military, but it is a third rate military that can deliver a nuclear tactical or strategic response.

I wonder if such a tatical nuclear munition were used in Ukraine, if that would prompt the President to seek a Declaration of War?

If so, how would the vote go.

Does not Musk own/control starlink?

Isn't the point, can he deliver?

I wouldn't want to dismiss anything nuke from anyone, but Vlad is the guy who duct tapes Cabela's gps's to the dashboard of his fighter jets. Will his nukes launch? Will his nukes reach the intended target?

I'm skeptical of Vlads ability, but as I've said before were I POTUS id be sending a steady drum beat of offers of assistance in securing Russian nukes.

His tanks were shown to be crap, and ill-maintained, when he invaded Ukraine. The money for parts and maintenance was stolen by his commanders, same as his Air Force and Navy.

Ukraine doesn't even have a Navy and ran off what of the Black Sea fleet they didn't sink.

There's not a single logical reason to think that the Russian strategic rocket forces are in any better shape, and good reason to suspect they may be worse, since there's always been less likelihood of use/exposure.

Ours work. Putin opening the nuclear bottle would be swift suicide.

quote:

Originally posted by Bill Leeper:
That Kamala will possibly be the next president is a disaster for the country, but it is entirely the fault of the Trumpeteers. They shouted down and ridiculed anyone who had the temerity to suggest that their over-aged, inarticulate, self-centered, candidate was anything less than the saviour of the nation. As a consequence of this, good, electable candidates withdrew, and we are left with a candidate who is well past his best before date and is probably not electable. His debate performance was so bad that he doesn't dare to try another.
Still, the Democrat's candidate is just as bad in many ways and should not even be considered for the job. However, the Wokesters in the party got their way and have their DEI candidate. The future just doesn't look that bright. The faithful on both sides won't see it though, they will be happy with a win and the nation be damned. Regards, Bill.

Like the disaster Biden being President has been? He only turned an economy that was almost universally expected to fall into a deep recession or depression into the economic engine of the world, with the markets setting new records on a regular basis, made us the largest energy producer in the world, spurred unprecedent investments by the private sector in manufacturing, created millions of new jobs and largely contained the out-of-control pandemic he inherited.

Some disaster.

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
I think we are trying.

The current Trump, Jan 6, SC Lt Gov is a good example of trying.

That and my vote and my refusal to donate to Trump, those like Trump, and anyone endorsed by Trump.

I accept the results of the election.

Frankly, the dna change is going to have to come out of Texas GOP. Texas bc of its size is to the GOP what California is to the Dem.

That is all I can do. Argue my positions from anchored in law, policy second, vote, and not give money.

The last 3 election cycles have taught many nothing. The GOP has to moderate and come back to the center.

This language of real Americans, and American is only this one narrow view has got to stop.

Maybe this election cycle will be the break point. I kind of doubt it. The House is going to be Dem. The White House is a toss up, and the Senate should go GOP.

I am voting for VP Harris.
I will not vote for anyone like Vance, Comer (who I expect to run in the KY Gov GOP Primary), Gates, Greene.

I do not ride for the brand. The brand has to sell itself to me.

You have generally convinced me on foreign policy.

A good example is Ukraine. No one on the current Administration has defined what a realistic strategic goal is. Wars on win at a strategic level. This is going to cause heat, but so be it.

Ukraine will never excel by force Russia. It simply does not have the national might to do so. Russia to Ukraine and Putin to this conflict is not Russia to Afghanistan. Putin is not that regime. Ukraine is not some far off place s w no historical, cultural, and economic insignificance.

Putin as part of himself believes Russia should dominate these former attachments in Europe. That Russia has to rebuild the land empire from a national strategic interest.

Ukraine could not get Russia out of the Crimea. Russia needs that deep power, warm water access. Putin wants to right a “wrong” from centuries ago.

By not defining a legitimate and achievable war end/goal, the Administration has provided Trump the fire to breath on Ukraine.

Now, I have no one in the Fed Government’s ear, but taking the whole, an achievable end appears to be:

1. U.S., the West, and Ukraine recognize Russia sovereignty over Crimea. This has not happened to date.

2. Russia withdrawal from mainland Ukraine.

3. Ukraine is denied membership into NATO, but may join the EU.


4. Russia, the West, and Ukraine to Ukraine military neutrality.

And

5. Embargoes, sanctions, and some seized assets lifted off Russia. The current sanctions and seized property used as repressions to Ukraine. The specific number haggled to a hard number.


If Russia would agree to the above, but Ukraine objects, then Ukraine would be told that is fine, but you go from this point on so the U.S. support.

The inability of the Biden Administration to define achievable end goal is not in the U.S. best interest. The inability to define an achievable end goal declaring simply, “ We will win” creates a policy vacuum for Trump to politically exploit.

Folks who cannot get local essential government functions for example: clean running water, schools funded to be safe(er), internet, a jail built (a few counties in KY do not have jails), or keep bridges from collapsing over a river here Trump say, “I will end this, and we are going to stop giving Ukraine 10 billion dollars.” Those folks see no end and no path to an end have every right to think why not let Trump just end it.

Your position mirrors Putin's exactly. From whence does Putin gain the authority to "annex" Ukrainian territory, and why would we ratify that annexation? Why would you grant Putin the power to decide what alliances Ukraine can enter into, or allow him to veto others?

How about Russia removes its troops from Ukrainian territory, all of it, and quits bombing Ukrainian civilians and Ukraine removes its troops from Russian territory?

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Putin revised Russia nuclear doctrine yesterday. Countries who supply arms and munitions to Ukraine that are used to attack Russia are subject to nuclear retaliation.

It seems as though much of the world at this point no longer GAF about Putin's nuclear sabre rattling. No wonder after the failures during testing of the Satan 2 missiles and the numerous red lines that Putin established and then were crossed. Russia is starting to look more like a third rate military than something to be feared.

That is the most worrying if true.

We have tatical nuclear munitions. Some subs are equipped w nuclear armed torpedoes. They exists to kill other big subs.


He may be at the head of a third rate military, but it is a third rate military that can deliver a nuclear tactical or strategic response.

I wonder if such a tatical nuclear munition were used in Ukraine, if that would prompt the President to seek a Declaration of War?

If so, how would the vote go.

Does not Musk own/control starlink?

Isn't the point, can he deliver?

I wouldn't want to dismiss anything nuke from anyone, but Vlad is the guy who duct tapes Cabela's gps's to the dashboard of his fighter jets. Will his nukes launch? Will his nukes reach the intended target?

I'm skeptical of Vlads ability, but as I've said before were I POTUS id be sending a steady drum beat of offers of assistance in securing Russian nukes.

His tanks were shown to be crap, and ill-maintained, when he invaded Ukraine. The money for parts and maintenance was stolen by his commanders, same as his Air Force and Navy.

Ukraine doesn't even have a Navy and ran off what of the Black Sea fleet they didn't sink.

There's not a single logical reason to think that the Russian strategic rocket forces are in any better shape, and good reason to suspect they may be worse, since there's always been less likelihood of use/exposure.

Ours work. Putin opening the nuclear bottle would be swift suicide.

That's all well and fine, I wouldn't say I disagree.

However nukes are nukes and Chernobyl is an easy example of former USSR goofing up. For everybody's sake and I mean everybody, id hate to see missiles going sideways in their silos, not making it where intended or actually getting there.

As Russia and Vlad fade, id strongly prefer The West offer, negotiate, bribe and be allowed to assist or manage the securing of the former USSR's stockpile.

I can get behind spending large amounts of foreign aid cash on making sure Vlads nukes don't go boom anywhere.

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As Russia and Vlad fade, id strongly prefer The West offer, negotiate, bribe and be allowed to assist or manage the securing of the former USSR's stockpile.

I can get behind spending large amounts of foreign aid cash on making sure Vlads nukes don't go boom anywhere.

There is a sequence predicated. You're jumping the gun.

Vlad's nukes may be controlled by his successor - in Russia.

I would be in favor of de-nuking the whole world. What's the chance of that?

I see no up-side in letting Putin pull off his nuke blackmail. He's simply a monster and can be trusted to do monster things - that's all.

Putin has targeted civilians, and the power infrastructure. I'm surprised he hasn't bombed the nuclear power stations, which would cause another Chernobyl.

Ukraine needs to win - it's as simple as that. Then join NATO. Russia should be held accountable for all its war criminals and pay for the restoration of Ukraine, every dime.

That is the only path to lasting peace with Russia, IMO.

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